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Yep they made the exact same claim about GPT-2. Back then language models talked like markov chains. I guess OpenAI's "fake it till you make it" strategy was so

by NavinF 3y ago

Yep they made the exact same claim about GPT-2. Back then language models talked like markov chains. I guess OpenAI's "fake it till you make it" strategy was so successful that they can't stop even after they've already made it

ctoth 3y ago
Are you so deeply set in this mindset/idea that OpenAI is dishonest that you can't imagine that they might just be doing what they say they are doing? Would you be willing to say literally anything I ask you to to anyone I specify, including telling your family that you have been kidnapped and need money? Sometimes, when someone tells you they are concerned about something, that something is concerning. We should evaluate the actual concern. I am concerned you do not realize this.
- simonklitj 3y ago
  I don’t think NavinF shows any lack of concern for the issue as such. What’s being talked about here is whether OpenAI’s being forthright concerning their motives for keeping the tech closed. I think we can all agree it is valid to be cautious with some of this tech, but the question is whether OpenAI is being cautious or simply using caution as PR. And given their track record, the latter seems, if not likely, then possible.
- heroprotagonist 3y ago
  Their action of removing the ban on military use of their technology has made me disbelieve their claims. Couple that with deceptive naming practices ('Open' AI) and how much they've compromised their independence with so much Microsoft ownership.. why _would_ you take their claims at face value?
- NavinF 3y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf Regarding the kidnapping scenario, my family isn't stupid enough to send money to anyone that sounds like me. Impersonating the gov't and sending letters would be a much better strategy since it's much harder to verify an organization's identity. Btw voice cloning is fairly mainstream and I've already used free voice cloning apps to humorous effect. Do you think people can't clone your voice today thanks to OpenAI holding back?

by NavinF 3y ago

ctoth 3y ago

Are you so deeply set in this mindset/idea that OpenAI is dishonest that you can't imagine that they might just be doing what they say they are doing? Would you be willing to say literally anything I ask you to to anyone I specify, including telling your family that you have been kidnapped and need money? Sometimes, when someone tells you they are concerned about something, that something is concerning. We should evaluate the actual concern. I am concerned you do not realize this.

simonklitj 3y ago
I don’t think NavinF shows any lack of concern for the issue as such. What’s being talked about here is whether OpenAI’s being forthright concerning their motives for keeping the tech closed. I think we can all agree it is valid to be cautious with some of this tech, but the question is whether OpenAI is being cautious or simply using caution as PR. And given their track record, the latter seems, if not likely, then possible.
heroprotagonist 3y ago
Their action of removing the ban on military use of their technology has made me disbelieve their claims. Couple that with deceptive naming practices ('Open' AI) and how much they've compromised their independence with so much Microsoft ownership.. why _would_ you take their claims at face value?
NavinF 3y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf Regarding the kidnapping scenario, my family isn't stupid enough to send money to anyone that sounds like me. Impersonating the gov't and sending letters would be a much better strategy since it's much harder to verify an organization's identity. Btw voice cloning is fairly mainstream and I've already used free voice cloning apps to humorous effect. Do you think people can't clone your voice today thanks to OpenAI holding back?