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"It's also a challenge to start a new art project in this era of unethical AI art, pay to win social media, algorithms with cryptic rules that serve the interes

"It's also a challenge to start a new art project in this era of unethical AI art, pay to win social media, algorithms with cryptic rules that serve the interests of their platforms, search engines that only return commercial partnerships and AI pollution. But now I'm confident that I will find a way and bring interesting answers to the table." - the original post "Safari can't open the page 'shortbread.ai' because Safari can't establish a secure connection to 'shortbread.ai'" - my browser

echelon 3y ago
Y'all unfairly flagged my comment. It was a totally valid thread of conversation. I didn't read to the end of the blog post to see the closing remarks about AI because there was no context about what Pepper and Carrot is/was. You'd think someone who liberally licenses their work and encourages reuse would be happy that remixing is available to lots more people. I don't understand how you want your work to be reused, but only by people who spent decades learning pen and paper techniques. That's gatekeeping. Regardless of what these people feel, Gen AI will make creation more accessible to lots of people. It's just as computers and smartphones have done. You don't have to be a mathematician with decades of experience using punch cards. Or a medieval priest with access to books before the printing press. Edit: from their homepage, > On Another hand, I don't have anything against AI tools themself, Generative Art or Neural Networks algorythm. If you know my work, I even offered more than once my art to train neural network for scientific paper and research. I just want the tools to be built on ethical datasets based on scrapping only Public Domain and CC-0 resources before using them (or the work of artists who consent). Doesn't seem so anti-AI to me.
- CaptainFever 3y ago
  > I just want the tools to be built on ethical datasets based on scrapping only Public Domain and CC-0 resources before using them (or the work of artists who consent). Just a side note, but this seems like a movement of goalposts. Surely if a model is open weights with mega-attribution, CC-BY or CC-BY-SA is fine? Not to mention Adobe Firefly already exists which would meet his definition of ethics. Even the Creative Commons themselves have said something different: > In the context of an enforceable right, the ability to opt out from such uses must be considered the legislative ceiling, as opt-in and consent-based approaches would lock away large swaths of the commons due to the excessive length and scope of copyright protection, as well as the fact that most works are not actively managed in any way. Source: https://creativecommons.org/2023/10/07/making-ai-work-for-creators-and-the-commons/ https://creativecommons.org/2023/10/07/making-ai-work-for-cr... And let's not forget what free culture is about: > The free-culture movement is a social movement that promotes the freedom to distribute and modify the creative works of others in the form of free content or open content without compensation to, or the consent of, the work's original creators Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-culture_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-culture_movement It's about giving power back to the users and consumers, not to artists or developers. It's nice to see the project isn't ending because of this though, and only because he felt it was good to end the story on a high note.

echelon 3y ago

Y'all unfairly flagged my comment. It was a totally valid thread of conversation. I didn't read to the end of the blog post to see the closing remarks about AI because there was no context about what Pepper and Carrot is/was. You'd think someone who liberally licenses their work and encourages reuse would be happy that remixing is available to lots more people. I don't understand how you want your work to be reused, but only by people who spent decades learning pen and paper techniques. That's gatekeeping. Regardless of what these people feel, Gen AI will make creation more accessible to lots of people. It's just as computers and smartphones have done. You don't have to be a mathematician with decades of experience using punch cards. Or a medieval priest with access to books before the printing press. Edit: from their homepage, > On Another hand, I don't have anything against AI tools themself, Generative Art or Neural Networks algorythm. If you know my work, I even offered more than once my art to train neural network for scientific paper and research. I just want the tools to be built on ethical datasets based on scrapping only Public Domain and CC-0 resources before using them (or the work of artists who consent). Doesn't seem so anti-AI to me.

CaptainFever 3y ago
> I just want the tools to be built on ethical datasets based on scrapping only Public Domain and CC-0 resources before using them (or the work of artists who consent). Just a side note, but this seems like a movement of goalposts. Surely if a model is open weights with mega-attribution, CC-BY or CC-BY-SA is fine? Not to mention Adobe Firefly already exists which would meet his definition of ethics. Even the Creative Commons themselves have said something different: > In the context of an enforceable right, the ability to opt out from such uses must be considered the legislative ceiling, as opt-in and consent-based approaches would lock away large swaths of the commons due to the excessive length and scope of copyright protection, as well as the fact that most works are not actively managed in any way. Source: https://creativecommons.org/2023/10/07/making-ai-work-for-creators-and-the-commons/ https://creativecommons.org/2023/10/07/making-ai-work-for-cr... And let's not forget what free culture is about: > The free-culture movement is a social movement that promotes the freedom to distribute and modify the creative works of others in the form of free content or open content without compensation to, or the consent of, the work's original creators Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-culture_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-culture_movement It's about giving power back to the users and consumers, not to artists or developers. It's nice to see the project isn't ending because of this though, and only because he felt it was good to end the story on a high note.