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In spite of Boeing.

Izkata 3y ago
Didn't all of that happen this year? Quick edit: But also the article is talking specifically about deaths, and as far as I recall no one died with the Boeing incidents. Granted the door plug one was probably pure luck (no one was sitting next to it).
- smt88 3y ago
  The planes have been dangerous for more than a year, though
  - tekla 3y ago
    Still irrelevant for Hacker News hysteria
- switch007 3y ago
  2023 wasn't completely uneventful for Boeing and the max (from wikipedia): - January 13, China Southern Airlines returned the MAX to service (i.e. still grounded for a small part of 2023) - In April of 2023, it was revealed that US engineers had recommended grounding 737 Max immediately following the Ethiopian Airlines accident. - December 28, the FAA revealed that Boeing had asked airlines to check newer 737 MAX aircraft for a possible loose screw in the rudder control system. The FAA wants to "closely monitor" the targeted inspections and consider additional measures if further loose or missing components are discovered.
- hinkley 3y ago
  The first round of groundings seems to have ended in late 2020. The drama all started, as stated in another article: > Two years later, hundreds of Max planes were grounded worldwide after the crashes in 2018 and 2019 that killed 346 people.
smt88 3y ago
The incredible effectiveness of airline regulation shouldn't be understated. Despite being a criminally negligent organization, Boeing still failed to kill anyone because of the FAA (their direct action and also airlines' fear of consequences).
- fourseventy 3y ago
  Except for the two Boeing planes that nose dived into the ground killing everyone onboard...
  - sccxy 3y ago
    In 2023?
    - denotational 3y ago
      The original claim wasn’t qualified with a year: > Despite being a criminally negligent organization, Boeing still failed to kill anyone because of the FAA Adopting the assumptions of the original comment, Boeing have managed to kill people despite the FAA, although as you point out it wasn’t in 2023.
- lxgr 3y ago
  In the US. And you're actually raising a good point here: Only US citizens get to vote on the US federal government, which controls FAA, yet many countries indirectly rely on the FAA as the primary regulator for Boeing, as far as I understand. Maybe the regulators of a few large industrial nations or the EU have the size/staffing/funding and leverage necessary to make a difference (and that's still a few steps removed from the FAA!). Others (Ethiopa and Indonesia come to mind) are effectively at the mercy of the FAA.
  - SteveNuts 3y ago
    > And you're actually raising a good point here: Only US citizens get to vote on the US federal government, which controls FAA, yet many countries indirectly rely on the FAA as the primary regulator for Boeing Except for when Boeing is allowed to regulate itself
ajross 3y ago
Boeing is about half the signal, so no, absolutely because of Boeing. That the 737 MAX is extremely dangerous for a modern jetliner doesn't refute the clear truth that the 737 MAX is very safe in a historical context. It's a huge outlier precisely because the industry has done so well at this.

In spite of Boeing.

Didn't all of that happen this year? Quick edit: But also the article is talking specifically about deaths, and as far as I recall no one died with the Boeing incidents. Granted the door plug one was probably pure luck (no one was sitting next to it).

smt88 3y ago
The planes have been dangerous for more than a year, though
- tekla 3y ago
  Still irrelevant for Hacker News hysteria
switch007 3y ago
2023 wasn't completely uneventful for Boeing and the max (from wikipedia): - January 13, China Southern Airlines returned the MAX to service (i.e. still grounded for a small part of 2023) - In April of 2023, it was revealed that US engineers had recommended grounding 737 Max immediately following the Ethiopian Airlines accident. - December 28, the FAA revealed that Boeing had asked airlines to check newer 737 MAX aircraft for a possible loose screw in the rudder control system. The FAA wants to "closely monitor" the targeted inspections and consider additional measures if further loose or missing components are discovered.
hinkley 3y ago
The first round of groundings seems to have ended in late 2020. The drama all started, as stated in another article: > Two years later, hundreds of Max planes were grounded worldwide after the crashes in 2018 and 2019 that killed 346 people.

smt88 3y ago

The incredible effectiveness of airline regulation shouldn't be understated. Despite being a criminally negligent organization, Boeing still failed to kill anyone because of the FAA (their direct action and also airlines' fear of consequences).

fourseventy 3y ago
Except for the two Boeing planes that nose dived into the ground killing everyone onboard...
- sccxy 3y ago
  In 2023?
  - denotational 3y ago
    The original claim wasn’t qualified with a year: > Despite being a criminally negligent organization, Boeing still failed to kill anyone because of the FAA Adopting the assumptions of the original comment, Boeing have managed to kill people despite the FAA, although as you point out it wasn’t in 2023.
lxgr 3y ago
In the US. And you're actually raising a good point here: Only US citizens get to vote on the US federal government, which controls FAA, yet many countries indirectly rely on the FAA as the primary regulator for Boeing, as far as I understand. Maybe the regulators of a few large industrial nations or the EU have the size/staffing/funding and leverage necessary to make a difference (and that's still a few steps removed from the FAA!). Others (Ethiopa and Indonesia come to mind) are effectively at the mercy of the FAA.
- SteveNuts 3y ago
  > And you're actually raising a good point here: Only US citizens get to vote on the US federal government, which controls FAA, yet many countries indirectly rely on the FAA as the primary regulator for Boeing Except for when Boeing is allowed to regulate itself

ajross 3y ago

Boeing is about half the signal, so no, absolutely because of Boeing. That the 737 MAX is extremely dangerous for a modern jetliner doesn't refute the clear truth that the 737 MAX is very safe in a historical context. It's a huge outlier precisely because the industry has done so well at this.