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Indian investigators ask Apple to access Delhi chief minister's phones

54 points by dagmx 3y ago

giis 3y ago
Just a background for people who don't know about Delhi CM: - He came to power by using India Against Corruption movement which was led by Anna Hazare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Hazare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Hazare - Once capturing power, he kicked out founding member like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumar_Vishwas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumar_Vishwas and his close associates like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yogendra_Yadav https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yogendra_Yadav and many others & became de-facto leader of this party. (Now his wife seems to chief of this party) - In this specific case, Indian Investigators summoned him 9 times and he refused their request for meeting and finally he was arrested after court refused to stay any arrest by Investigators IMHO, he should have corporated with Investigator, rather than trying to keep them at bay. PS: I used to be huge supporter of him during those time (2011-2014) and even donated small money (my only donation to any political party till now) while he formed the party (which I regret now). PS2: Interestingly, his mentor Anna Hazare (who stayed away from his political party and doesnt have political ambitions) said "His arrest is a result of his own actions" https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/result-of-his-own-actions-anna-hazare-on-kejriwals-arrest/article67980932.ece https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/result-of-his-own-act...
- nokun7 3y ago
  You've provided an accurate overview of the situation. Additionally, the ex-Chief Minister of Delhi has taken an unconventional stance by choosing to administer from behind bars, despite his alleged involvement in a significant liquor scam, which also led to the incarceration of his associates for embezzling over 500 crore rupees. Given these circumstances, the question arises as to why he should receive any special treatment. What's more, this case has garnered exceptional attention from international bodies, including the governments of Germany and the United States, as well as the United Nations, which have all expressed concerns in various forms. This level of international interest is peculiar, especially when considering that several other Chief Ministers, such as Hemant Soren, Laloo Yadav, and Jayalalitha, have faced imprisonment for corruption charges without attracting similar global scrutiny. The focus on the Delhi ex-CM raises questions about the selective attention of these international entities. Moreover, the case has taken a further twist with allegations from the leader of a terrorist organization, accusing the Delhi ex-CM of accepting a substantial bribe in exchange for the release of a notorious terrorist, a claim that highlights a lack of intent or capability to fulfill such a promise. This has turned the situation into a subject of ridicule.
  - newhotelowner 3y ago
    Well, isn't it India's Investigation agency known as ED has filed 95% of cases against the opposition parties? And once they join the BJP, the cases are dropped? Or if they donate money to BJP, the cases are dropped?
    - nokun7 3y ago
      Corruption is corruption, regardless of who does it. You seem to not care and look at it only with an anti-India lens. I can show you 10 cases of the ED going after BJP leaders for every one now. Does that mean ED is just dancing to the tunes of the ruling govt - whichever it is at the time? If so, then Congress was in power for ~70 years, so imagine the power they wielded against opposition parties.
      - bluish29 3y ago
        There are two scenarios here and neither looks good. The first one is that it is really fighting corruption but mainly targeting corruption from outside the Ruling party. This sends a message that India is fine with corruption as long as you are in the right party with the right connections. The second one is that this is not about real corruption but just accusations to take out the opposition which sends a clear message. I think painting criticism about a corrupted Indian government and judicial system is not anti-indian sentiment for any reasonable person. At this point india is democracy by name only. Much closer to Russia than anything else.
        nokun7 3y ago
        Actually, that's not quite the case. The Indian elections are fast approaching, and history has repeatedly demonstrated that attacking any opposition shortly before elections can inadvertently boost their standing through sympathy from the electorate. It's also hard to accuse the ruling party of being politically naive; especially considering PM Modi's unbroken winning streak over the past 25 years or so. So, the question arises: why would the current administration take such a seemingly self-destructive step, essentially handing the opposition a narrative of victimhood? It's a thought worth considering.
- newhotelowner 3y ago
  Well, I think you forgot a lot of things. - The current central government's conviction rate is 2%. In 98% of cases accused are released. - The current central government uses ED and other investigation agencies to force other commercial companies to "donate" money through electoral bonds. - The main accuser in this case donated a huge amount to the central government party and then he became the witness against the Delhi CM. Not only that "Delhi liquor policy case: Accused-turned-approver’s father gets Lok Sabha ticket from BJP ally [1] " - One of the Delhi Government's ministers Sisodia was arrested one year ago, and he is still in jail and the ED hasn't been able to prove his case. - 95% of cases filed by the Indian Investigators Agency known as ED are against the opposition party members. - If the accused opposition party members join the central government party, all cases are dropped against them. [1] https://scroll.in/latest/1065986/delhi-liquor-policy-case-accused-turned-approvers-father-gets-lok-sabha-ticket-from-bjp-ally https://scroll.in/latest/1065986/delhi-liquor-policy-case-ac...
  - hiyer 3y ago
    Where did you get the 2% number from? ED claims a conviction rate of 93% in PMLA cases - https://www.business-standard.com/india-news/over-93-conviction-rate-in-money-laundering-cases-in-9-years-govt-123072400720_1.html https://www.business-standard.com/india-news/over-93-convict....
- thealig 3y ago
  Well, in itself that doesn't mean much - irregularities and power struggles within indian political paries is routine. Plus given the track record of the law enforcement agencies to arrest/Crack down with an agenda, usually along the lines that suits the political party. Even worse, legislation now provides the police and so on broad power in arresting subjects without allowing a fair trial( or just a trial!) For example under the anti terrorism act. Such legislation is frequently used to arrest on grounds that probably have little to do with their supposed criminal act. This methodology of enforcement goes back decades way before India got independent, inherited from British Indian authorities. It's even more blatant under the current ruling party.
iteygib 3y ago
India seems to be going after a lot of political opposition opponents these days to its main BJP party: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/31/india-opposition-protests-in-capital-over-kejriwals-arrest-before-election https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/31/india-opposition-pr...
- nokun7 3y ago
  It seems there might be a misunderstanding of the situation. The judiciary in India operates independently from the current government, led by the BJP, ensuring a separation of powers. Additionally, it's important to note that Al Jazeera has been criticized for its coverage, which some perceive as biased against India. I encourage a deeper examination of the corruption case at hand before forming a conclusion.
  - newhotelowner 3y ago
    Investigation agencies like ED and IT have only gone after the opposition parties. There is no misunderstanding of the situation. ED, CID and SBI (One of the biggest banks in India) turned into the most corrupt organization in the history of India. BJP and Modi government openly destroyed all the government agencies and made them corrupt.
    - nokun7 3y ago
      Yes, what can you do if they are corrupt? Give them a free pass JUST because they are opposition? Were ED, CID and SBI non-existent before the current BJP party?? Why then did the former congress govts not make them independent - after all they were in power for almost 70 years since independence??
      - newhotelowner 3y ago
        But as soon as they join BJP they are not corrupt and their cases are dropped. That's nothing but extortion
    - 3y ago
tracer4201 3y ago
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Wingman4l7 3y ago
Depending on the model of the phone and the version of iOS, they won't need Apple's help.
- fqnd 3y ago
  If they asked Apple most probably they don’t have access. In current case once they got access, they go after each of the persons in contacts and create cases against and if they are low profile candidates they might go missing.
fqnd 3y ago
Modi has become a dictator. Ruthlessly sending everyone to jail who don't cooperate. Note that Modi is an uneducated Road side Tea Seller before he climbed to PM position. Now he wants to keep his power at any cost. Delhi CM, Arvind Kejriwal and Team are the only ones who can topple Modi Govt. Note that Arvind Kejriwal won almost 65 out of 70 seats in each of his wins agains BJP govt. And in punjab this is the same situation. Fake cases are pretty common for anyone stand against dictatorship of Modi
- srnayak 3y ago
  I don't like many policies of the current government including the way opposition is treated. But I think this specific statement should be down voted due to both denigrating tea sellers and presenting wrong facts. Modi is currently PM for 2 terms because he is able to outsmart his opponents both inside his own party and in opposition. It hardly matters if he was selling tea at some point in his life. He is not uneducated. In India one can find many smart guys without formal education and many dumb guys with stellar degrees. Arvind Kejriwal's party i.e. AAP is in power in only 2 small states i.e. Delhi and Punjab. Those 2 states can send total 20 MPs to parliament with a strength of 543. So I am not sure how AAP is going to topple Modi Govt in near future. The only party who can do it is Congress with the support of other parties including AAP. But at the same time, I think the current government is crossing the line in going after opposition parties especially during election times. We need a strong opposition for our democracy. As pointed out by one editorial Modi may be creating his own nemesis by over stepping here like Voldemort created Harry Potter.
ilrwbwrkhv 3y ago
It's amazing how much the BJP took advantage of the uneducated Indians and is now turning the largest democracy in the world into the second largest autocracy. I have some distant family connections there and they tell me that people have no freedom of speech anymore and the only people criticizing the govt are YouTube channels run by those who don't live in the country. What a shame.
windex 3y ago
The ruling party in India legalized corruption using brazen moves such as electoral bonds and is now angry that a small party is continuing to get votes. They have been using laws that assume you are guilty and expect you prove otherwise. The PMLA laws are meant to imprison people and is against the concept of natural justice anywhere in the world except in tin pot dictatorships. India is migrating towards becoming a religious dictatorship that doesn't tolerate opposition or dissent. The current government has a whole slew of stupid decisions to its name. To its credit though, it has managed to brainwash a large section of India's technically educated and financially well off upper classes. It has the media, sports, public spaces, campuses under full control monitored by policies, online trolls, and goons.
- amriksohata 3y ago
  come on, ruling party, legalised corruption? seriously.
amriksohata 3y ago
Its quite common for police, authorities even airports to access your phone. So would not be surprising if there is serious charges against this man.

54 points by dagmx 3y ago

giis 3y ago

Just a background for people who don't know about Delhi CM: - He came to power by using India Against Corruption movement which was led by Anna Hazare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Hazare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Hazare - Once capturing power, he kicked out founding member like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumar_Vishwas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumar_Vishwas and his close associates like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yogendra_Yadav https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yogendra_Yadav and many others & became de-facto leader of this party. (Now his wife seems to chief of this party) - In this specific case, Indian Investigators summoned him 9 times and he refused their request for meeting and finally he was arrested after court refused to stay any arrest by Investigators IMHO, he should have corporated with Investigator, rather than trying to keep them at bay. PS: I used to be huge supporter of him during those time (2011-2014) and even donated small money (my only donation to any political party till now) while he formed the party (which I regret now). PS2: Interestingly, his mentor Anna Hazare (who stayed away from his political party and doesnt have political ambitions) said "His arrest is a result of his own actions" https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/result-of-his-own-actions-anna-hazare-on-kejriwals-arrest/article67980932.ece https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/result-of-his-own-act...

nokun7 3y ago
You've provided an accurate overview of the situation. Additionally, the ex-Chief Minister of Delhi has taken an unconventional stance by choosing to administer from behind bars, despite his alleged involvement in a significant liquor scam, which also led to the incarceration of his associates for embezzling over 500 crore rupees. Given these circumstances, the question arises as to why he should receive any special treatment. What's more, this case has garnered exceptional attention from international bodies, including the governments of Germany and the United States, as well as the United Nations, which have all expressed concerns in various forms. This level of international interest is peculiar, especially when considering that several other Chief Ministers, such as Hemant Soren, Laloo Yadav, and Jayalalitha, have faced imprisonment for corruption charges without attracting similar global scrutiny. The focus on the Delhi ex-CM raises questions about the selective attention of these international entities. Moreover, the case has taken a further twist with allegations from the leader of a terrorist organization, accusing the Delhi ex-CM of accepting a substantial bribe in exchange for the release of a notorious terrorist, a claim that highlights a lack of intent or capability to fulfill such a promise. This has turned the situation into a subject of ridicule.
- newhotelowner 3y ago
  Well, isn't it India's Investigation agency known as ED has filed 95% of cases against the opposition parties? And once they join the BJP, the cases are dropped? Or if they donate money to BJP, the cases are dropped?
  - nokun7 3y ago
    Corruption is corruption, regardless of who does it. You seem to not care and look at it only with an anti-India lens. I can show you 10 cases of the ED going after BJP leaders for every one now. Does that mean ED is just dancing to the tunes of the ruling govt - whichever it is at the time? If so, then Congress was in power for ~70 years, so imagine the power they wielded against opposition parties.
    - bluish29 3y ago
      There are two scenarios here and neither looks good. The first one is that it is really fighting corruption but mainly targeting corruption from outside the Ruling party. This sends a message that India is fine with corruption as long as you are in the right party with the right connections. The second one is that this is not about real corruption but just accusations to take out the opposition which sends a clear message. I think painting criticism about a corrupted Indian government and judicial system is not anti-indian sentiment for any reasonable person. At this point india is democracy by name only. Much closer to Russia than anything else.
      - nokun7 3y ago
        Actually, that's not quite the case. The Indian elections are fast approaching, and history has repeatedly demonstrated that attacking any opposition shortly before elections can inadvertently boost their standing through sympathy from the electorate. It's also hard to accuse the ruling party of being politically naive; especially considering PM Modi's unbroken winning streak over the past 25 years or so. So, the question arises: why would the current administration take such a seemingly self-destructive step, essentially handing the opposition a narrative of victimhood? It's a thought worth considering.
newhotelowner 3y ago
Well, I think you forgot a lot of things. - The current central government's conviction rate is 2%. In 98% of cases accused are released. - The current central government uses ED and other investigation agencies to force other commercial companies to "donate" money through electoral bonds. - The main accuser in this case donated a huge amount to the central government party and then he became the witness against the Delhi CM. Not only that "Delhi liquor policy case: Accused-turned-approver’s father gets Lok Sabha ticket from BJP ally [1] " - One of the Delhi Government's ministers Sisodia was arrested one year ago, and he is still in jail and the ED hasn't been able to prove his case. - 95% of cases filed by the Indian Investigators Agency known as ED are against the opposition party members. - If the accused opposition party members join the central government party, all cases are dropped against them. [1] https://scroll.in/latest/1065986/delhi-liquor-policy-case-accused-turned-approvers-father-gets-lok-sabha-ticket-from-bjp-ally https://scroll.in/latest/1065986/delhi-liquor-policy-case-ac...
- hiyer 3y ago
  Where did you get the 2% number from? ED claims a conviction rate of 93% in PMLA cases - https://www.business-standard.com/india-news/over-93-conviction-rate-in-money-laundering-cases-in-9-years-govt-123072400720_1.html https://www.business-standard.com/india-news/over-93-convict....
thealig 3y ago
Well, in itself that doesn't mean much - irregularities and power struggles within indian political paries is routine. Plus given the track record of the law enforcement agencies to arrest/Crack down with an agenda, usually along the lines that suits the political party. Even worse, legislation now provides the police and so on broad power in arresting subjects without allowing a fair trial( or just a trial!) For example under the anti terrorism act. Such legislation is frequently used to arrest on grounds that probably have little to do with their supposed criminal act. This methodology of enforcement goes back decades way before India got independent, inherited from British Indian authorities. It's even more blatant under the current ruling party.

iteygib 3y ago

India seems to be going after a lot of political opposition opponents these days to its main BJP party: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/31/india-opposition-protests-in-capital-over-kejriwals-arrest-before-election https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/31/india-opposition-pr...

nokun7 3y ago
It seems there might be a misunderstanding of the situation. The judiciary in India operates independently from the current government, led by the BJP, ensuring a separation of powers. Additionally, it's important to note that Al Jazeera has been criticized for its coverage, which some perceive as biased against India. I encourage a deeper examination of the corruption case at hand before forming a conclusion.
- newhotelowner 3y ago
  Investigation agencies like ED and IT have only gone after the opposition parties. There is no misunderstanding of the situation. ED, CID and SBI (One of the biggest banks in India) turned into the most corrupt organization in the history of India. BJP and Modi government openly destroyed all the government agencies and made them corrupt.
  - nokun7 3y ago
    Yes, what can you do if they are corrupt? Give them a free pass JUST because they are opposition? Were ED, CID and SBI non-existent before the current BJP party?? Why then did the former congress govts not make them independent - after all they were in power for almost 70 years since independence??
    - newhotelowner 3y ago
      But as soon as they join BJP they are not corrupt and their cases are dropped. That's nothing but extortion
  - 3y ago

tracer4201 3y ago

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Wingman4l7 3y ago

Depending on the model of the phone and the version of iOS, they won't need Apple's help.

fqnd 3y ago
If they asked Apple most probably they don’t have access. In current case once they got access, they go after each of the persons in contacts and create cases against and if they are low profile candidates they might go missing.

fqnd 3y ago

Modi has become a dictator. Ruthlessly sending everyone to jail who don't cooperate. Note that Modi is an uneducated Road side Tea Seller before he climbed to PM position. Now he wants to keep his power at any cost. Delhi CM, Arvind Kejriwal and Team are the only ones who can topple Modi Govt. Note that Arvind Kejriwal won almost 65 out of 70 seats in each of his wins agains BJP govt. And in punjab this is the same situation. Fake cases are pretty common for anyone stand against dictatorship of Modi

srnayak 3y ago
I don't like many policies of the current government including the way opposition is treated. But I think this specific statement should be down voted due to both denigrating tea sellers and presenting wrong facts. Modi is currently PM for 2 terms because he is able to outsmart his opponents both inside his own party and in opposition. It hardly matters if he was selling tea at some point in his life. He is not uneducated. In India one can find many smart guys without formal education and many dumb guys with stellar degrees. Arvind Kejriwal's party i.e. AAP is in power in only 2 small states i.e. Delhi and Punjab. Those 2 states can send total 20 MPs to parliament with a strength of 543. So I am not sure how AAP is going to topple Modi Govt in near future. The only party who can do it is Congress with the support of other parties including AAP. But at the same time, I think the current government is crossing the line in going after opposition parties especially during election times. We need a strong opposition for our democracy. As pointed out by one editorial Modi may be creating his own nemesis by over stepping here like Voldemort created Harry Potter.

ilrwbwrkhv 3y ago

It's amazing how much the BJP took advantage of the uneducated Indians and is now turning the largest democracy in the world into the second largest autocracy. I have some distant family connections there and they tell me that people have no freedom of speech anymore and the only people criticizing the govt are YouTube channels run by those who don't live in the country. What a shame.

windex 3y ago

The ruling party in India legalized corruption using brazen moves such as electoral bonds and is now angry that a small party is continuing to get votes. They have been using laws that assume you are guilty and expect you prove otherwise. The PMLA laws are meant to imprison people and is against the concept of natural justice anywhere in the world except in tin pot dictatorships. India is migrating towards becoming a religious dictatorship that doesn't tolerate opposition or dissent. The current government has a whole slew of stupid decisions to its name. To its credit though, it has managed to brainwash a large section of India's technically educated and financially well off upper classes. It has the media, sports, public spaces, campuses under full control monitored by policies, online trolls, and goons.

amriksohata 3y ago
come on, ruling party, legalised corruption? seriously.

amriksohata 3y ago

Its quite common for police, authorities even airports to access your phone. So would not be surprising if there is serious charges against this man.