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I do love the meta irony of people finding this and posting it as if it's news....

by joshka 3y ago

082349872349872 3y ago
I love all the people who said "Oh, no, generative AI will flood the online world with crap", as if generative natural intelligence hadn't already done so: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon%27s_law (periodic reminder: https://search.marginalia.nu https://search.marginalia.nu )
- com 3y ago
  I think that while the signal/noise ratio on the internet is much lower when I joined as a wee person in the 1980s, we are simply not prepared for the poisoning of the commons that is coming. The people who began circling wagons in the late 1990s creating invite-only “smart friends” stealth communities will turn out to have been bang on the money. It’s probably not too late to start - but which platforms other than private email lists and RocketChat exist for the endless hunker-down?
  - largbae 3y ago
    We do pretty well with a free-tier Slack instance. They only keep a rolling 10k messages or so, but this seems to be enough for more than 100 friends and colleagues to keep comm lines open. LinkedIn could be a model for making vouch-networks as we fight the evil bots(or more accurately the evildoers who abuse neutral bots)
    - aragilar 3y ago
      90 days now, which actually makes free-tier Slack really bad.
chucksmash 3y ago
I believe the canonical response to this would be the "today's lucky 10,000" xkcd. When the blooming of the perennials no longer moves you, perhaps it's time to take a walk outside the garden ;-)
pavlov 3y ago
IMO, an important part of HN culture that has allowed it to mostly avoid Eternal September is that this is not just a strict news site: old and well-known things can be posted and discussed again, thus introducing them to the newer crowd without making them feel bad about not already knowing something.
- berkes 3y ago
  Interesting how you look at Eternal September from the newb's angle. As if "making them feel bad" (or unwelcome?) is the main problem of ES. I never looked at it that way. Always looked at it from the disgruntled Unix beard view that I have entrenched myself in. "get off my lawn". While also lamenting how new generations keep reinventing solutions that "we" have proven to not work decades ago. Or reinventing solutions to problems that have long been solved. When the solution is not to shout "get off my lawn" harder, but to go out there, with empathy, and help the newer generations find their way around in the history and practices of ICT and CompSci so they too can reach out to that experience and knowledge when confronted with a problem (rather than blindingly running towards a cliff that "we" the seniors fell off several times already)

I do love the meta irony of people finding this and posting it as if it's news....

by joshka 3y ago

I do love the meta irony of people finding this and posting it as if it's news....

I love all the people who said "Oh, no, generative AI will flood the online world with crap", as if generative natural intelligence hadn't already done so: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon%27s_law (periodic reminder: https://search.marginalia.nu https://search.marginalia.nu )

com 3y ago
I think that while the signal/noise ratio on the internet is much lower when I joined as a wee person in the 1980s, we are simply not prepared for the poisoning of the commons that is coming. The people who began circling wagons in the late 1990s creating invite-only “smart friends” stealth communities will turn out to have been bang on the money. It’s probably not too late to start - but which platforms other than private email lists and RocketChat exist for the endless hunker-down?
- largbae 3y ago
  We do pretty well with a free-tier Slack instance. They only keep a rolling 10k messages or so, but this seems to be enough for more than 100 friends and colleagues to keep comm lines open. LinkedIn could be a model for making vouch-networks as we fight the evil bots(or more accurately the evildoers who abuse neutral bots)
  - aragilar 3y ago
    90 days now, which actually makes free-tier Slack really bad.

chucksmash 3y ago

I believe the canonical response to this would be the "today's lucky 10,000" xkcd. When the blooming of the perennials no longer moves you, perhaps it's time to take a walk outside the garden ;-)

pavlov 3y ago

IMO, an important part of HN culture that has allowed it to mostly avoid Eternal September is that this is not just a strict news site: old and well-known things can be posted and discussed again, thus introducing them to the newer crowd without making them feel bad about not already knowing something.

berkes 3y ago
Interesting how you look at Eternal September from the newb's angle. As if "making them feel bad" (or unwelcome?) is the main problem of ES. I never looked at it that way. Always looked at it from the disgruntled Unix beard view that I have entrenched myself in. "get off my lawn". While also lamenting how new generations keep reinventing solutions that "we" have proven to not work decades ago. Or reinventing solutions to problems that have long been solved. When the solution is not to shout "get off my lawn" harder, but to go out there, with empathy, and help the newer generations find their way around in the history and practices of ICT and CompSci so they too can reach out to that experience and knowledge when confronted with a problem (rather than blindingly running towards a cliff that "we" the seniors fell off several times already)