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> Historically nothing sets up a country better for future success than lots of immigrants Ummm citations needed urgently. I would point out, immigration polic

> Historically nothing sets up a country better for future success than lots of immigrants Ummm citations needed urgently. I would point out, immigration policy vs anyone without a passport is welcome are two complete scenarios that the only thing in common is that outsiders are coming in. Unchecked immigration policy as a good thing is a myth. People from clashing cultures dont mix naturally. Only results are natural ghetos and cultural clashes. Allowing undocumented people in without any due diligence, only advertises that undesirables from other countries can escape, or being dumped by more crafty foreign leaders. The immigration as a positive is strictly related to being the cause for brain-drain effect. You want intelligent hardworking people in, not just anyone. Also its better if people you are attracting are of similar heritage with similar values and culture. As those people assimilate to host cultures within a generation or two. The european countries don't really have distinctive minorities from their neighbors. The inter-eu immigrants withing generation or two basically become a host country citizens. I would point to Sweden and their current problems, also to the change of mind of the pro-unchecked immigration politicians. Who now are openly and publicly stating they were wrong.

TMWNN 3y ago
> I would point to Sweden and their current problems, also to the change of mind of the pro-unchecked immigration politicians. Who now are openly and publicly stating they were wrong. Context for others: Sweden has no language, income, employment, or skills requirement <https://www.migrationsverket.se/English/Private-individuals/Becoming-a-Swedish-citizen/Apply-for-citizenship/Citizenship-for-adults.html https://www.migrationsverket.se/English/Private-individuals/...> for obtaining citizenship. In completely unrelated news, Arabic is now the second most spoken language in Sweden <https://digitaledition.chicagotribune.com/tribune/article_popover.aspx?guid=7047637a-c5f5-4297-9afa-a273dd443a9a https://digitaledition.chicagotribune.com/tribune/article_po...>.
- estebank 3y ago
  > Sweden has no language, income, employment, or skills requirement for obtaining citizenship. Neither does the US. Like the US, it has a requirement of having lived in the country with residency for 5 years. In the US those 5 years are after getting a Green Card (permanent residency), not after getting the original dual intent visa that allowed for the Green Card. The Swedish residence requirements seem par for the course[1], if more straightforward than for the US. [1]: https://visaguide.world/europe/sweden-visa/residence-permit/ https://visaguide.world/europe/sweden-visa/residence-permit/
prionic6 3y ago
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
- RestlessMind 3y ago
  It is 2024 now. Why should we live by the standards of some poem in 1883? If we want society to continue updating its morals, why not update the morals about immigration as well?
ffgjgf1 3y ago
> The european countries don't really have distinctive minorities from their neighbors Well… I wonder how that happened since it certainly wasn’t the case until the period between the mid/late 19th century and the 1940. I guess we’ll never know.

TMWNN 3y ago

> I would point to Sweden and their current problems, also to the change of mind of the pro-unchecked immigration politicians. Who now are openly and publicly stating they were wrong. Context for others: Sweden has no language, income, employment, or skills requirement <https://www.migrationsverket.se/English/Private-individuals/Becoming-a-Swedish-citizen/Apply-for-citizenship/Citizenship-for-adults.html https://www.migrationsverket.se/English/Private-individuals/...> for obtaining citizenship. In completely unrelated news, Arabic is now the second most spoken language in Sweden <https://digitaledition.chicagotribune.com/tribune/article_popover.aspx?guid=7047637a-c5f5-4297-9afa-a273dd443a9a https://digitaledition.chicagotribune.com/tribune/article_po...>.

estebank 3y ago
> Sweden has no language, income, employment, or skills requirement for obtaining citizenship. Neither does the US. Like the US, it has a requirement of having lived in the country with residency for 5 years. In the US those 5 years are after getting a Green Card (permanent residency), not after getting the original dual intent visa that allowed for the Green Card. The Swedish residence requirements seem par for the course[1], if more straightforward than for the US. [1]: https://visaguide.world/europe/sweden-visa/residence-permit/ https://visaguide.world/europe/sweden-visa/residence-permit/

prionic6 3y ago

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

RestlessMind 3y ago
It is 2024 now. Why should we live by the standards of some poem in 1883? If we want society to continue updating its morals, why not update the morals about immigration as well?

ffgjgf1 3y ago

> The european countries don't really have distinctive minorities from their neighbors Well… I wonder how that happened since it certainly wasn’t the case until the period between the mid/late 19th century and the 1940. I guess we’ll never know.