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Extra fun fact: you can get a California driver's license as an undocumented immigrant without an SSN, but if you provide any documents that show you have legal

by Cerium 3y ago

Extra fun fact: you can get a California driver's license as an undocumented immigrant without an SSN, but if you provide any documents that show you have legal presence then your SSN name must match exactly on the other documents before you can get a license.

celdon25 3y ago
Yikes
FireBeyond 3y ago
Why would that be an issue, unless your name didn't match across documents you have? Or are you trying to make some big deal about undocumented immigrants being able to get a driver's license? Fun fact: Some state governments, and many of their residents agree, believe that it is not the state governments responsibility to handle federal immigration law, and that being able to meet the requirements to drive a car has nothing to do with residency status.
- Cerium 3y ago
  It poses an annoyance, If you move to the US, get married, then attempt to get a driver's license it sets your plans back at least a few weeks while you get the paperwork done.
  - FireBeyond 3y ago
    This doesn't make much sense, unless you live in an "antiquated" county. As an immigrant who got married shortly after arrival in the US, all the driver's license required for name discrepancies was the marriage certificate.
anonym29 3y ago
Sometimes I think it would be a really fun challenge building a "matrix" of sorts to evaluate requirements and mitigations for large, real-world identity systems across various jurisdictions and with various merchants, something broadly similar to MITRE's ATT&CK Framework.
SAI_Peregrinus 3y ago
You can get a California driver's license. You can't get a RealID or Enhanced license. The state doesn't have the jurisdiction to enforce federal immigration law. Also an SSN is not proof of citizenship and is not enough to get a RealID or US passport, that requires a birth certificate or certificate of naturalization. Most "undocumented" immigrants don't stay fully undocumented for long, they get tax IDs from the IRS to pay taxes, driver's licenses from the states they live in to drive, etc. It's just CBP that doesn't get documentation of them.

by Cerium 3y ago

celdon25 3y ago

Yikes

FireBeyond 3y ago

Why would that be an issue, unless your name didn't match across documents you have? Or are you trying to make some big deal about undocumented immigrants being able to get a driver's license? Fun fact: Some state governments, and many of their residents agree, believe that it is not the state governments responsibility to handle federal immigration law, and that being able to meet the requirements to drive a car has nothing to do with residency status.

Cerium 3y ago
It poses an annoyance, If you move to the US, get married, then attempt to get a driver's license it sets your plans back at least a few weeks while you get the paperwork done.
- FireBeyond 3y ago
  This doesn't make much sense, unless you live in an "antiquated" county. As an immigrant who got married shortly after arrival in the US, all the driver's license required for name discrepancies was the marriage certificate.

anonym29 3y ago

Sometimes I think it would be a really fun challenge building a "matrix" of sorts to evaluate requirements and mitigations for large, real-world identity systems across various jurisdictions and with various merchants, something broadly similar to MITRE's ATT&CK Framework.

SAI_Peregrinus 3y ago

You can get a California driver's license. You can't get a RealID or Enhanced license. The state doesn't have the jurisdiction to enforce federal immigration law. Also an SSN is not proof of citizenship and is not enough to get a RealID or US passport, that requires a birth certificate or certificate of naturalization. Most "undocumented" immigrants don't stay fully undocumented for long, they get tax IDs from the IRS to pay taxes, driver's licenses from the states they live in to drive, etc. It's just CBP that doesn't get documentation of them.