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spoken like a fairly recent grad. an ambitious young person's perspective. you will eventually learn that you are beyond expendable in this world, despite how

spoken like a fairly recent grad. an ambitious young person's perspective. you will eventually learn that you are beyond expendable in this world, despite how 'skilled' or adept at 'negotiating' you believe yourself to be (or actually are for that matter). we all are. what you fail to see yet is that you are not more skilled nor more adept than 'The Man.' and you're characterizing yourself as being anything 'more' than non-'college educated people' is simply successful divide-and-conquer—a power struggle strategy immemorial.

bluefirebrand 3y ago
What people fail to realize is that the leadership systems of Corporations: Boards of Directors, Executives, Management and HR are all effectively organized against them, to make sure the business gets what it wants as much as possible When you ask your manager for a raise, they might be your biggest fan and want you to get that raise, but there is a whole system that is going to resist it, because paying you less is better for the company. You're not bargaining with a person you're bargaining with a system. And the system is built in such a way that it is incredibly difficult to persuade at an individual level Workers can benefit from having their own system inside of the larger corporate system that is working for them, instead of this every man for themselves stuff
throwaway11460 3y ago
Both can be true at the same time. Companies both treat senior engineers as expendable and will fire them on a whim - while paying them whatever they dictate and rehiring them few months after the layoffs for 1.5x compensation. I'm happy being expendable. It means I can just pick up my things and go somewhere else whenever I please - any place I go has some spot for me and will pay me many multiples of the national average wage.
- nobodyandproud 3y ago
  > I'm happy being expendable. > It means I can just pick up my things and go somewhere else whenever I please. You are conflating expendability with redundancy.
  - throwaway11460 3y ago
    Two sides of the same coin, IMHO
    - nobodyandproud 3y ago
      Oh my that’s a skewed perspective. That lack of perspective—specialty of the long-gone Jack Welch—-is what’s led us to the rapid fall and third-tier engineering of Boeing today. They are definitely not the two sides of the same coin.

bluefirebrand 3y ago

What people fail to realize is that the leadership systems of Corporations: Boards of Directors, Executives, Management and HR are all effectively organized against them, to make sure the business gets what it wants as much as possible When you ask your manager for a raise, they might be your biggest fan and want you to get that raise, but there is a whole system that is going to resist it, because paying you less is better for the company. You're not bargaining with a person you're bargaining with a system. And the system is built in such a way that it is incredibly difficult to persuade at an individual level Workers can benefit from having their own system inside of the larger corporate system that is working for them, instead of this every man for themselves stuff

throwaway11460 3y ago

Both can be true at the same time. Companies both treat senior engineers as expendable and will fire them on a whim - while paying them whatever they dictate and rehiring them few months after the layoffs for 1.5x compensation. I'm happy being expendable. It means I can just pick up my things and go somewhere else whenever I please - any place I go has some spot for me and will pay me many multiples of the national average wage.

nobodyandproud 3y ago
> I'm happy being expendable. > It means I can just pick up my things and go somewhere else whenever I please. You are conflating expendability with redundancy.
- throwaway11460 3y ago
  Two sides of the same coin, IMHO
  - nobodyandproud 3y ago
    Oh my that’s a skewed perspective. That lack of perspective—specialty of the long-gone Jack Welch—-is what’s led us to the rapid fall and third-tier engineering of Boeing today. They are definitely not the two sides of the same coin.