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It's also clearly a result of the job market turning for tech employment. The moment the job market stopped being red hot, companies started becoming more and

It's also clearly a result of the job market turning for tech employment. The moment the job market stopped being red hot, companies started becoming more and more draconian with RTO. I think a lot of them see it as low risk with possible upside for the employer. Of course for employees who have been remote/hybrid for 4 years now, it's often upending lives for questionable benefit. Your employer doesn't care about you wasting 5-10 hours/week commuting that could be otherwise split between work & family.

ryandrake 3y ago
Good point. If it were customary (or required) that companies pay for time spent commuting, they'd be less thrilled about mandating return-to-office. As it is today, an employee's 2 hour commute each way doesn't cost the company, it costs his family.
- steveBK123 3y ago
  A similar pet peeve of mine are execs who spontaneously demand entire orgs/divisions/teams attend some earlier than normal start time meeting.. or worse, to do so for a new weekly series. It's like a manager time vs maker time thing. Execs tend to be later in their career without young children to attend to, making enough to have a non-working spouse (and/or some "help"). Further they tend to be early risers and while they start the day earlier I observe they end their day earlier too, becoming unreachable long before I punch out for the day. So sure for exec rolling into the office for a 7:30/8 meeting is no big deal. They've already checked train times to ensure it works for THEIR schedule. For everyone else they suddenly need to re-arrange things like school/daycare drop-offs, coordinate with their working spouses work schedule, might need to wake up 2 hours early to buffer for train schedules, etc. Has knock on effects to both spouses schedule the evening before as well. All so the big guy can pontificate.

ryandrake 3y ago

Good point. If it were customary (or required) that companies pay for time spent commuting, they'd be less thrilled about mandating return-to-office. As it is today, an employee's 2 hour commute each way doesn't cost the company, it costs his family.

steveBK123 3y ago
A similar pet peeve of mine are execs who spontaneously demand entire orgs/divisions/teams attend some earlier than normal start time meeting.. or worse, to do so for a new weekly series. It's like a manager time vs maker time thing. Execs tend to be later in their career without young children to attend to, making enough to have a non-working spouse (and/or some "help"). Further they tend to be early risers and while they start the day earlier I observe they end their day earlier too, becoming unreachable long before I punch out for the day. So sure for exec rolling into the office for a 7:30/8 meeting is no big deal. They've already checked train times to ensure it works for THEIR schedule. For everyone else they suddenly need to re-arrange things like school/daycare drop-offs, coordinate with their working spouses work schedule, might need to wake up 2 hours early to buffer for train schedules, etc. Has knock on effects to both spouses schedule the evening before as well. All so the big guy can pontificate.