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It’s not about the woman being beautiful. It’s about the in-joke where the cropped image itself is tame but the implicit context is pornographic. This in joke m

It’s not about the woman being beautiful. It’s about the in-joke where the cropped image itself is tame but the implicit context is pornographic. This in joke makes (many) women uncomfortable, I think. Personally I don’t care either way, I just like to understand differing perspectives. Being offended by this one seems fairly reasonable as far as things go though.

low_tech_love 3y ago
I guess being offended or not by this is entirely subjective, as we can see from our wildly different perspectives on the matter. I guess that’s why we should never base a ban on it, right?
ml-anon 3y ago
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politelemon 3y ago
Trying to imagine the reverse, if I were in a field dominated by women and there were "Lenny" images used frequently and used as an in joke or commonality, I think I'd feel uncomfortable too as would many of us. From the comments I'm seeing though, I don't believe we're exercising the empathy needed to understand.
- roenxi 3y ago
  I dunno; that sounds very hypothetical. Do you have a more specific example? I don't see why I'd be unhappy about, eg, working with a group of nurses with a fireman calendar in the lunch room [0]. Even though it is unprofessional, since that is active sexualisation, this is just a girl with a pretty face. Very attractive people of both the equivalent and opposite gender exist. I can't speak to your instincts and interpretations, but objectively they are not a threat to my emotions. [0] https://www.australianfirefighterscalendar.com/ https://www.australianfirefighterscalendar.com/
  - acdha 3y ago
    This is also sexualization: Playboy isn’t a fine art magazine or anatomy textbook where you’d at least have some plausible professional context. If someone just took a picture of a pretty woman which wasn’t intended to be pornography, nobody would be talking about this.
- low_tech_love 3y ago
  Would you ask for it to be formally banned by a scientific umbrella organisation?
numpad0 3y ago
Aren't we supposed to be decades past "women has no sexual desire, sex are for men" era? I support the ban, it's kind of weird a cutout porn is the benchmark, but I just don't see how LGBT-era human modeling and anti-porn stancing go together. Hypocritically speaking, the notion that cis-male/bi-person/lesbian-women porn[0] as reference image makes women uncomfortable has to be wrong. 0: and this is very rough edged caricature, no reason gender has to be specified here or subject has to be ignored
- acdha 3y ago
  Would you bring a copy of Playboy into the office? Would you say it’s okay because you won’t show anyone more than the upper half of an image? That’s the problem: it’s nothing to do with what people do in their private lives, it’s about bringing pornography into a professional context. In this case it’s also objectively an obsolete choice for anyone working on modern imaging technology so it’s not even defensible on technical merits.
  - numpad0 3y ago
    I don't object to removal itself, and I don't find it too appropriate, I just have problems with post-hoc rationalization that comes attached to it. "Images of attractive woman offends other women" shouldn't even be a politically safe statement to make. That'll be one hell of a hallucination if an LLM said it.
    - acdha 3y ago
      It’s not attractive women but pornography. Nobody would care if this was a picture a computer scientist had taken of herself at work because they needed a test image, it’s the “produced for the sexual pleasure of male viewers” part that makes some people worry that their colleagues view them the same way.
      - numpad0 3y ago
        > Nobody would care if this was a picture a computer scientist had taken of herself at work because they needed a test image I've seen, although from great distances, enough of these instances. They WILL come at that person and harder in those cases. Sexual content are less likely to be cancelled when more male is involved, contrary to superficial reasoning. This applies even if gender of creators are not apparent at all. It's a really gross primal phenomenon.

low_tech_love 3y ago

I guess being offended or not by this is entirely subjective, as we can see from our wildly different perspectives on the matter. I guess that’s why we should never base a ban on it, right?

ml-anon 3y ago

Replace Lena.jpg with calm.jpg

politelemon 3y ago

Trying to imagine the reverse, if I were in a field dominated by women and there were "Lenny" images used frequently and used as an in joke or commonality, I think I'd feel uncomfortable too as would many of us. From the comments I'm seeing though, I don't believe we're exercising the empathy needed to understand.

roenxi 3y ago
I dunno; that sounds very hypothetical. Do you have a more specific example? I don't see why I'd be unhappy about, eg, working with a group of nurses with a fireman calendar in the lunch room [0]. Even though it is unprofessional, since that is active sexualisation, this is just a girl with a pretty face. Very attractive people of both the equivalent and opposite gender exist. I can't speak to your instincts and interpretations, but objectively they are not a threat to my emotions. [0] https://www.australianfirefighterscalendar.com/ https://www.australianfirefighterscalendar.com/
- acdha 3y ago
  This is also sexualization: Playboy isn’t a fine art magazine or anatomy textbook where you’d at least have some plausible professional context. If someone just took a picture of a pretty woman which wasn’t intended to be pornography, nobody would be talking about this.
low_tech_love 3y ago
Would you ask for it to be formally banned by a scientific umbrella organisation?

numpad0 3y ago

Aren't we supposed to be decades past "women has no sexual desire, sex are for men" era? I support the ban, it's kind of weird a cutout porn is the benchmark, but I just don't see how LGBT-era human modeling and anti-porn stancing go together. Hypocritically speaking, the notion that cis-male/bi-person/lesbian-women porn[0] as reference image makes women uncomfortable has to be wrong. 0: and this is very rough edged caricature, no reason gender has to be specified here or subject has to be ignored

acdha 3y ago
Would you bring a copy of Playboy into the office? Would you say it’s okay because you won’t show anyone more than the upper half of an image? That’s the problem: it’s nothing to do with what people do in their private lives, it’s about bringing pornography into a professional context. In this case it’s also objectively an obsolete choice for anyone working on modern imaging technology so it’s not even defensible on technical merits.
- numpad0 3y ago
  I don't object to removal itself, and I don't find it too appropriate, I just have problems with post-hoc rationalization that comes attached to it. "Images of attractive woman offends other women" shouldn't even be a politically safe statement to make. That'll be one hell of a hallucination if an LLM said it.
  - acdha 3y ago
    It’s not attractive women but pornography. Nobody would care if this was a picture a computer scientist had taken of herself at work because they needed a test image, it’s the “produced for the sexual pleasure of male viewers” part that makes some people worry that their colleagues view them the same way.
    - numpad0 3y ago
      > Nobody would care if this was a picture a computer scientist had taken of herself at work because they needed a test image I've seen, although from great distances, enough of these instances. They WILL come at that person and harder in those cases. Sexual content are less likely to be cancelled when more male is involved, contrary to superficial reasoning. This applies even if gender of creators are not apparent at all. It's a really gross primal phenomenon.