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> There is a reason why they basically only dominate in traditional UNIX headless workloads and nothing else. Well then it's a non-issue; neither X11 nor Wayla

> There is a reason why they basically only dominate in traditional UNIX headless workloads and nothing else. Well then it's a non-issue; neither X11 nor Wayland are needed for that. > After successfully cloning Bell Labs UNIX, that was it. Hardly anything new on the Desktop space, that isn't being rebuilt or forked every couple of years. So... it it nothing new, or is it constant change? Because those seem contradictory.

pjmlp 3y ago
Nothing new, because GNU/Linux is a follower from what proprietary OSes do in the GUI space, hardly doing any innovation, and even copy cat of those proprietary OSes approaches isn't good enough, gets rebuild and forked every couple of years. While the proprietary OSes do rebuild their stacks, there is an amount of tooling put in place to ease those transitions. So yeah, in the end it is all about UNIX servers, which aren't even a thing on container and serverless workloads, or headless POSIX compatibility on some IoT device, if they aren't using other FOSS OS like Zephyr/FreeRTOS/NutXX/Tock/mBed, both cases with a WebUI as management interface and that will be it.
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
  > Nothing new, because GNU/Linux is a follower from what proprietary OSes do in the GUI space, hardly doing any innovation, and even copy cat of those proprietary OSes approaches isn't good enough, gets rebuild and forked every couple of years. That's not actually true, but more to the point, the proprietary OSs are also from the 90s and just keep extending themselves.
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    Apparently the lack of reading comprehension made you skip my second paragraph, and I failed to find any counter example on how then happen to innovate in GUI development, instead of copying existing stuff. If you need help, I guess rotating cubes for changing virtual desktops could be an example, which is a kill feature in GUI design space.

pjmlp 3y ago

Nothing new, because GNU/Linux is a follower from what proprietary OSes do in the GUI space, hardly doing any innovation, and even copy cat of those proprietary OSes approaches isn't good enough, gets rebuild and forked every couple of years. While the proprietary OSes do rebuild their stacks, there is an amount of tooling put in place to ease those transitions. So yeah, in the end it is all about UNIX servers, which aren't even a thing on container and serverless workloads, or headless POSIX compatibility on some IoT device, if they aren't using other FOSS OS like Zephyr/FreeRTOS/NutXX/Tock/mBed, both cases with a WebUI as management interface and that will be it.

yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
> Nothing new, because GNU/Linux is a follower from what proprietary OSes do in the GUI space, hardly doing any innovation, and even copy cat of those proprietary OSes approaches isn't good enough, gets rebuild and forked every couple of years. That's not actually true, but more to the point, the proprietary OSs are also from the 90s and just keep extending themselves.
- pjmlp 3y ago
  Apparently the lack of reading comprehension made you skip my second paragraph, and I failed to find any counter example on how then happen to innovate in GUI development, instead of copying existing stuff. If you need help, I guess rotating cubes for changing virtual desktops could be an example, which is a kill feature in GUI design space.