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You were "curious" and not blaming but quick to downvote. Good way of showing curiosity. If I understand you correctly, you are saying that the state allowed

You were "curious" and not blaming but quick to downvote. Good way of showing curiosity. If I understand you correctly, you are saying that the state allowed the pollution of a public owned area, and now you want a libertarian working solution after the fact. How does that make sense? The libertarian solution is, as I said, make the waters private. The owner will immediately sue the pollutant, to at least stop dumping waste. Reminder that the state is doing nothing at all. Is anyone dumping thrash in your privately owned house? Why is that? Please, point me a privately owned area were someone who is not the owner openly and freely thrash the place without consequences.

defrost 3y ago
New York City is privately owned. Before automobiles horse shit was everywhere. The horse shit issue went away thanks to a change in technology which replaced a visible issue with a less visible one. Today, as a consequence of industry, the air is polluted, perhaps if someone "owned" the atmosphere? Today, as a consequence fo fossil fuel usage, the mean tempreture is rising like a slow train wreck - with consequences beginning now and increasing with time. An efficient system would have addressed and averted these problems when first highlighted in the 1970s rather than allow Koch et al to hire tobacco apologist media companies and think tanks to spred climate FUD for decades. Early action, early pivoting to renewable development and small more efficient vehicles would have been magnitudes cheaper and more productive in the long term than kicking the can down through time for 50 years while the problem grew and spread to other economies.
mrtksn 3y ago
> You were "curious" and not blaming but quick to downvote. Good way of showing curiosity. I can’t downvote your direct replies to me, just as you can’t downvote mine. Anyway, since the government screwed up on this one they can be replaced on the next election. What would be the libertarian solution to shitty beaches? Move somewhere where the private owners offer clean beaches? What if they have clean beaches but no need for your services? Maybe they are bunch of hippies.
- klyrs 3y ago
  > What if they have clean beaches but no need for your services? Dump on their beaches, offer cleanup services?
luma 3y ago
Nobody said this was the result of libertarianism, nor that libertarianism is bad. The poster you replied to cannot downvote you, but others here watching your behavior can. Dial back the accusations, you're being unnecessarily aggressive defending a point which didn't need defense because it wasn't being attacked.

defrost 3y ago

New York City is privately owned. Before automobiles horse shit was everywhere. The horse shit issue went away thanks to a change in technology which replaced a visible issue with a less visible one. Today, as a consequence of industry, the air is polluted, perhaps if someone "owned" the atmosphere? Today, as a consequence fo fossil fuel usage, the mean tempreture is rising like a slow train wreck - with consequences beginning now and increasing with time. An efficient system would have addressed and averted these problems when first highlighted in the 1970s rather than allow Koch et al to hire tobacco apologist media companies and think tanks to spred climate FUD for decades. Early action, early pivoting to renewable development and small more efficient vehicles would have been magnitudes cheaper and more productive in the long term than kicking the can down through time for 50 years while the problem grew and spread to other economies.

mrtksn 3y ago

> You were "curious" and not blaming but quick to downvote. Good way of showing curiosity. I can’t downvote your direct replies to me, just as you can’t downvote mine. Anyway, since the government screwed up on this one they can be replaced on the next election. What would be the libertarian solution to shitty beaches? Move somewhere where the private owners offer clean beaches? What if they have clean beaches but no need for your services? Maybe they are bunch of hippies.

klyrs 3y ago
> What if they have clean beaches but no need for your services? Dump on their beaches, offer cleanup services?

luma 3y ago

Nobody said this was the result of libertarianism, nor that libertarianism is bad. The poster you replied to cannot downvote you, but others here watching your behavior can. Dial back the accusations, you're being unnecessarily aggressive defending a point which didn't need defense because it wasn't being attacked.