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So, that's 22.04 with Plasma 5.24? Yes, I also had bad experiences when I using Plasma 5.24 and earlier with kwin's Wayland session (so much so that I used kwin

by linmob 3y ago

So, that's 22.04 with Plasma 5.24? Yes, I also had bad experiences when I using Plasma 5.24 and earlier with kwin's Wayland session (so much so that I used kwinft for a bit, as this was not a Wayland, but a kwin problem - wlroots and Mutter/GNOME allowed for good experiences earlier than the 22.04 timeframe). Fortunately, with Plasma 6, it's night and day from that, and even with 5.27 which Kubuntu 24.04 will ship, things are a lot more solid already.

orbital-decay 3y ago
That's mostly because unlike Wayland and some distro devs, KDE cares for their users. They substitute missing/unfinished Wayland features with quick and dirty custom implementations they intend to replace after they are finalized. So Plasma is not Wayland. That said, even the bleeding edge Plasma 6 (which has the most complete Wayland support and then some) doesn't work well in Wayland mode yet, it has plenty of issues with drag-n-drop, cursors, portals, much-hyped fractional scaling, and many other things (I still can't calibrate my drawing tablet display, for example). The overall experience beyond very basic features is flaky and unfinished. I'm not even starting on implicit/explicit sync debate, that's a complete shitshow that can only be blamed on Wayland devs (regardless of Nvidia).
hyperman1 3y ago
Happy to see the future looks brighter. Work laptop needs to be supported by some software packages, so Ubuntu LTS of at least 1 year old is the minimal requirement. See you in 2025, wayland. I've gone back and forth on wayland a few times now. It has both good and bad sides. Major functionality holes are finally getting plugged. But the quality and stability of the compositors just isn't there yet compared to X11, and when leaving QT and GTK widget sets, almost nothing is fully baked. Presumably, things will get better in a few years.

by linmob 3y ago

orbital-decay 3y ago

That's mostly because unlike Wayland and some distro devs, KDE cares for their users. They substitute missing/unfinished Wayland features with quick and dirty custom implementations they intend to replace after they are finalized. So Plasma is not Wayland. That said, even the bleeding edge Plasma 6 (which has the most complete Wayland support and then some) doesn't work well in Wayland mode yet, it has plenty of issues with drag-n-drop, cursors, portals, much-hyped fractional scaling, and many other things (I still can't calibrate my drawing tablet display, for example). The overall experience beyond very basic features is flaky and unfinished. I'm not even starting on implicit/explicit sync debate, that's a complete shitshow that can only be blamed on Wayland devs (regardless of Nvidia).

hyperman1 3y ago

Happy to see the future looks brighter. Work laptop needs to be supported by some software packages, so Ubuntu LTS of at least 1 year old is the minimal requirement. See you in 2025, wayland. I've gone back and forth on wayland a few times now. It has both good and bad sides. Major functionality holes are finally getting plugged. But the quality and stability of the compositors just isn't there yet compared to X11, and when leaving QT and GTK widget sets, almost nothing is fully baked. Presumably, things will get better in a few years.