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I really don't understand why claims like this are legal. There have been some civil lawsuits. IIRC Tesla settled in some cases (though not sure the amounts w

I really don't understand why claims like this are legal. There have been some civil lawsuits. IIRC Tesla settled in some cases (though not sure the amounts were substantial), others (including a potential class action) got snagged by the arbitration clause most customers don't bother to opt out of. The statute of limitations had expired in one instance. I'm surprised a group of purchasers didn't go after the company more aggressively, but I think most Tesla owners love their cars despite them not living up to the hype.

hansvm 3y ago
> but I think most Tesla owners love their cars despite them not living up to the hype. Just last night, a friend was arguing that Tesla is a good investment (maybe it is, for now, I'm not going to judge) _because_ of its full-self-driving capabilities and all the tech going into that. I disagreed for a number of reasons, but the thing I highlighted at the end is that I've met a lot of people who like their Teslas, and not one of them made the decision because of FSD or even highlighted it as one of their top-10 favorite differentiating features. There's obviously a sampling bias at play in that survey, but I don't think if Tesla completely shut down the FSD efforts they'd have a dramatically different customer base; FSD is intended to impress a different crowd from the actual buyers and drivers.
- darkstar_16 3y ago
  Agree. I’m a Tesla owner and I bought it only for the super charger network. Living in Europe, every country I travel to can have different charging networks and so the Tesla network is one of the few that lets me drive on road trips without a worry. I don’t care about FSD.
- SvenL 3y ago
  Exactly, I brought the model y not because of FSD - actually I couldn’t care less about it. I brought it because of the range it can drive, interior space and space in trunk, Tesla phone app and supercharger network (and more stuff). I won’t care if they shutdown FSD.

hansvm 3y ago

> but I think most Tesla owners love their cars despite them not living up to the hype. Just last night, a friend was arguing that Tesla is a good investment (maybe it is, for now, I'm not going to judge) _because_ of its full-self-driving capabilities and all the tech going into that. I disagreed for a number of reasons, but the thing I highlighted at the end is that I've met a lot of people who like their Teslas, and not one of them made the decision because of FSD or even highlighted it as one of their top-10 favorite differentiating features. There's obviously a sampling bias at play in that survey, but I don't think if Tesla completely shut down the FSD efforts they'd have a dramatically different customer base; FSD is intended to impress a different crowd from the actual buyers and drivers.

darkstar_16 3y ago
Agree. I’m a Tesla owner and I bought it only for the super charger network. Living in Europe, every country I travel to can have different charging networks and so the Tesla network is one of the few that lets me drive on road trips without a worry. I don’t care about FSD.
SvenL 3y ago
Exactly, I brought the model y not because of FSD - actually I couldn’t care less about it. I brought it because of the range it can drive, interior space and space in trunk, Tesla phone app and supercharger network (and more stuff). I won’t care if they shutdown FSD.