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Imagine a world where ‘no legal duty’ was the default mindset for everyone.

orionblastar 3y ago
Individuals and corporations quit caring about the environment; Which, is why there is sewage and microplastics in the sea and ocean.
- lanthade 3y ago
  There’s been sewage in the seas and oceans for as long as there’s been sewage in proximity to those places. Long before caring for the environment as it’s now understood was even a concept. I’d hazard a guess that on a population density normalized comparison for developed countries there has never been a better time for responsible sewage handling. That’s not to say that there aren’t plenty of problems like this article highlights, just that it probably has not been better in the past. Hopefully the UK courts will hand this lady a decisive win and reinforce the idea that industry does have responsibility.
  - Turing_Machine 3y ago
    > There’s been sewage in the seas and oceans for as long as there’s been sewage in proximity to those places. Oh, far, far longer than that. Everyone is ignoring the fact that fish and other sea creatures also shit in the ocean, and were doing so for billions of years before humans even existed.
- masklinn 3y ago
  Corps quitting caring about the environment implies they ever did. They did not until environmental regulations forced them to, and they ignore those regulations every time they think they can get away with it. And individuals are not much better.
  - mr_toad 3y ago
    It’s definitely not new and often nothing is done until it directly affects the “great and the good” For example nothing was done about the pollution of the river Thames until it got so bad it affected the business of parliament. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Stink https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Stink
HlessClaudesman 3y ago
And imagine if every nation pumped their shit straight into the ocean? Poor old UK bosses would have no clean beaches to fly to.
- Turing_Machine 3y ago
  Do you have any idea how many sea creatures there are, all of whom are shitting straight into the ocean, constantly? Around 2 billion metric tons of them. By contrast, there are only about 60 million tons of human beings. Handwaving any differences in metabolic rates, the ocean animals are outshitting us by a factor of roughly 30, or, to put it another way, if every human turd in the world went straight into the ocean it would only increase the amount of shit in the ocean by around 3%. Of course, the overwhelming majority of human waste does not get dumped directly into the oceans, so it's far less than that.
lowbloodsugar 3y ago
It is the default for everyone in power. You’re only surprised because you don’t matter.

Individuals and corporations quit caring about the environment; Which, is why there is sewage and microplastics in the sea and ocean.

lanthade 3y ago
There’s been sewage in the seas and oceans for as long as there’s been sewage in proximity to those places. Long before caring for the environment as it’s now understood was even a concept. I’d hazard a guess that on a population density normalized comparison for developed countries there has never been a better time for responsible sewage handling. That’s not to say that there aren’t plenty of problems like this article highlights, just that it probably has not been better in the past. Hopefully the UK courts will hand this lady a decisive win and reinforce the idea that industry does have responsibility.
- Turing_Machine 3y ago
  > There’s been sewage in the seas and oceans for as long as there’s been sewage in proximity to those places. Oh, far, far longer than that. Everyone is ignoring the fact that fish and other sea creatures also shit in the ocean, and were doing so for billions of years before humans even existed.
masklinn 3y ago
Corps quitting caring about the environment implies they ever did. They did not until environmental regulations forced them to, and they ignore those regulations every time they think they can get away with it. And individuals are not much better.
- mr_toad 3y ago
  It’s definitely not new and often nothing is done until it directly affects the “great and the good” For example nothing was done about the pollution of the river Thames until it got so bad it affected the business of parliament. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Stink https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Stink

HlessClaudesman 3y ago

And imagine if every nation pumped their shit straight into the ocean? Poor old UK bosses would have no clean beaches to fly to.

Turing_Machine 3y ago
Do you have any idea how many sea creatures there are, all of whom are shitting straight into the ocean, constantly? Around 2 billion metric tons of them. By contrast, there are only about 60 million tons of human beings. Handwaving any differences in metabolic rates, the ocean animals are outshitting us by a factor of roughly 30, or, to put it another way, if every human turd in the world went straight into the ocean it would only increase the amount of shit in the ocean by around 3%. Of course, the overwhelming majority of human waste does not get dumped directly into the oceans, so it's far less than that.

lowbloodsugar 3y ago

It is the default for everyone in power. You’re only surprised because you don’t matter.