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Tesla starts using 'Supervised Full Self-Driving' language

40 points by CharlesW 3y ago

everyone 3y ago
If u cant upgrade the system, just upgrade the words you use to describe it.
- paulryanrogers 3y ago
  Or downgrade the wording, making it even more absurd. "Supervised Full Self" anything sounds like a contradiction. I did it entirely by myself ... under continuous supervision, in case something needed to be corrected within a sub-second time window. Hell, even Supervised Self Driving would be more understandable, despite it being nearly as contradictory. Can't they just call it Partially Automated Driving?
  - Fricken 3y ago
    You can drop the "partially" and just call it automated driving. There is a distinction to be made between automated and autonomous. With automated driving, some aspect of the driving task has been automated. If every aspect of the driving task is automated, then that is autonomous driving.
thefaux 3y ago
I really don't understand how Musk gets away with egregious fraud. I feel like we've become desensitized to it, but that doesn't make it ok. There is an enormous difference between a robitaxi and a car with partial self driving capabilities. Part of the premise seems to be that you could actually use the car as a robotaxi for supplemental income but it is increasingly clear that will almost certainly not happen with software updates alone and definitely not on the time scale he promised, which is already long past. I really don't understand why claims like this are legal.
- rkagerer 3y ago
  I really don't understand why claims like this are legal. There have been some civil lawsuits. IIRC Tesla settled in some cases (though not sure the amounts were substantial), others (including a potential class action) got snagged by the arbitration clause most customers don't bother to opt out of. The statute of limitations had expired in one instance. I'm surprised a group of purchasers didn't go after the company more aggressively, but I think most Tesla owners love their cars despite them not living up to the hype.
  - hansvm 3y ago
    > but I think most Tesla owners love their cars despite them not living up to the hype. Just last night, a friend was arguing that Tesla is a good investment (maybe it is, for now, I'm not going to judge) _because_ of its full-self-driving capabilities and all the tech going into that. I disagreed for a number of reasons, but the thing I highlighted at the end is that I've met a lot of people who like their Teslas, and not one of them made the decision because of FSD or even highlighted it as one of their top-10 favorite differentiating features. There's obviously a sampling bias at play in that survey, but I don't think if Tesla completely shut down the FSD efforts they'd have a dramatically different customer base; FSD is intended to impress a different crowd from the actual buyers and drivers.
    - darkstar_16 3y ago
      Agree. I’m a Tesla owner and I bought it only for the super charger network. Living in Europe, every country I travel to can have different charging networks and so the Tesla network is one of the few that lets me drive on road trips without a worry. I don’t care about FSD.
    - SvenL 3y ago
      Exactly, I brought the model y not because of FSD - actually I couldn’t care less about it. I brought it because of the range it can drive, interior space and space in trunk, Tesla phone app and supercharger network (and more stuff). I won’t care if they shutdown FSD.
neilv 3y ago
"Supervised Full Self-Driving" sounds to me like someone really wanted to leave the word "Full" in a name where it doesn't belong. That's not the kind of decision-making I want for a product like this on public roads, where innocent bystanders are at risk.
- pauljurczak 3y ago
  Fully supervised self-driving?
LispSporks22 3y ago
I’m of limited mental capacity. Who’s doing the supervising in this thing?
- heresWaldo 3y ago
  [flagged]
- MaKey 3y ago
  The driver.
kelnos 3y ago
That's a pretty sweet marketing-speak oxymoron. If it needs to be supervised, it's not "full".
- p1mrx 3y ago
  The car drives its full self. No parts left behind, assuming proper supervision.
Freedom2 3y ago
I've been out of the loop with regards to Tesla as of late. Are people who claimed 5 years ago they would be paying off their car with self-driving features to ferry passengers around with a fare still making that claim?
- rsynnott 3y ago
  I’m sorry, you’re severely out-of-date. Those people moved onto crypto-nonsense, then metaverses, with a brief detour into meme stocks, and are currently YOLOing everything into generative AI. CV/self-driving car stuff was at least four hype cycles ago.
rsynnott 3y ago
> Supervised Full Self-Driving This is what happens, one assumes, when the irresistible force of the legal department meets the immovable object of marketing. Absolutely beyond parody.

40 points by CharlesW 3y ago

everyone 3y ago

If u cant upgrade the system, just upgrade the words you use to describe it.

paulryanrogers 3y ago
Or downgrade the wording, making it even more absurd. "Supervised Full Self" anything sounds like a contradiction. I did it entirely by myself ... under continuous supervision, in case something needed to be corrected within a sub-second time window. Hell, even Supervised Self Driving would be more understandable, despite it being nearly as contradictory. Can't they just call it Partially Automated Driving?
- Fricken 3y ago
  You can drop the "partially" and just call it automated driving. There is a distinction to be made between automated and autonomous. With automated driving, some aspect of the driving task has been automated. If every aspect of the driving task is automated, then that is autonomous driving.

thefaux 3y ago

I really don't understand how Musk gets away with egregious fraud. I feel like we've become desensitized to it, but that doesn't make it ok. There is an enormous difference between a robitaxi and a car with partial self driving capabilities. Part of the premise seems to be that you could actually use the car as a robotaxi for supplemental income but it is increasingly clear that will almost certainly not happen with software updates alone and definitely not on the time scale he promised, which is already long past. I really don't understand why claims like this are legal.

rkagerer 3y ago
I really don't understand why claims like this are legal. There have been some civil lawsuits. IIRC Tesla settled in some cases (though not sure the amounts were substantial), others (including a potential class action) got snagged by the arbitration clause most customers don't bother to opt out of. The statute of limitations had expired in one instance. I'm surprised a group of purchasers didn't go after the company more aggressively, but I think most Tesla owners love their cars despite them not living up to the hype.
- hansvm 3y ago
  > but I think most Tesla owners love their cars despite them not living up to the hype. Just last night, a friend was arguing that Tesla is a good investment (maybe it is, for now, I'm not going to judge) _because_ of its full-self-driving capabilities and all the tech going into that. I disagreed for a number of reasons, but the thing I highlighted at the end is that I've met a lot of people who like their Teslas, and not one of them made the decision because of FSD or even highlighted it as one of their top-10 favorite differentiating features. There's obviously a sampling bias at play in that survey, but I don't think if Tesla completely shut down the FSD efforts they'd have a dramatically different customer base; FSD is intended to impress a different crowd from the actual buyers and drivers.
  - darkstar_16 3y ago
    Agree. I’m a Tesla owner and I bought it only for the super charger network. Living in Europe, every country I travel to can have different charging networks and so the Tesla network is one of the few that lets me drive on road trips without a worry. I don’t care about FSD.
  - SvenL 3y ago
    Exactly, I brought the model y not because of FSD - actually I couldn’t care less about it. I brought it because of the range it can drive, interior space and space in trunk, Tesla phone app and supercharger network (and more stuff). I won’t care if they shutdown FSD.

neilv 3y ago

"Supervised Full Self-Driving" sounds to me like someone really wanted to leave the word "Full" in a name where it doesn't belong. That's not the kind of decision-making I want for a product like this on public roads, where innocent bystanders are at risk.

pauljurczak 3y ago
Fully supervised self-driving?

LispSporks22 3y ago

I’m of limited mental capacity. Who’s doing the supervising in this thing?

heresWaldo 3y ago
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MaKey 3y ago
The driver.

kelnos 3y ago

That's a pretty sweet marketing-speak oxymoron. If it needs to be supervised, it's not "full".

p1mrx 3y ago
The car drives its full self. No parts left behind, assuming proper supervision.

Freedom2 3y ago

I've been out of the loop with regards to Tesla as of late. Are people who claimed 5 years ago they would be paying off their car with self-driving features to ferry passengers around with a fare still making that claim?

rsynnott 3y ago
I’m sorry, you’re severely out-of-date. Those people moved onto crypto-nonsense, then metaverses, with a brief detour into meme stocks, and are currently YOLOing everything into generative AI. CV/self-driving car stuff was at least four hype cycles ago.

rsynnott 3y ago

> Supervised Full Self-Driving This is what happens, one assumes, when the irresistible force of the legal department meets the immovable object of marketing. Absolutely beyond parody.