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Tl;dr: Suburbs have changed even since the 80's, primarily sociologically but also architecturally, and combined with wider changes in overall culture has made

Tl;dr: Suburbs have changed even since the 80's, primarily sociologically but also architecturally, and combined with wider changes in overall culture has made alternatives to the internet less and less practical. Another jumping-off point: https://www.techdirt.com/2024/01/05/utah-governor-absolutely-positive-that-social-media-harms-kids-despite-study-after-study-after-study-after-study-after-study-saying-hes-wrong/ https://www.techdirt.com/2024/01/05/utah-governor-absolutely... ~~~~~ As previously commented on https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39259629 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39259629 >let yourself spend less time and energy on your kids >The fact of the matter is the world is a safer >and more prosperous place than ever before. Sadly, it's often not even a matter of safety from "danger", but safety from the law. Getting CPS called on you[1][2], or getting arrested[3][4] as a parent is not good, even if you are fortunate enough to win. Then there's the whole angle of disappearing third places, lack of places that can be reasonably visited without driving privileges, nobody's outside because of all of the above so there's nobody to "hang out" or "play" with, desire to funnel kids/teens into more "productive" activities like academics and sports (depending on affluence and interest, this isn't AS bad as the above points), places outright banning[5] young people, etc etc. [1]https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2018/09/05/mom-parenting-police-free-range-neglect-children-column/1156144002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2018/09/05/mom... [2]https://www.cnn.com/2015/04/13/living/feat-maryland-free-range-parenting-family-under-investigation-again/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2015/04/13/living/feat-maryland-free-ran... [3]https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/07/arrested-for-letting-a-9-year-old-play-at-the-park-alone/374436/ https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/07/arreste... [4]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-mom-accused-of-leaving-kids-at-food-court-during-job-interview/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-mom-accused-of-leaving-ki... [5]https://www.businessinsider.com/teen-bans-curfews-malls-theme-parks-chick-fil-a-2023-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/teen-bans-curfews-malls-them...

dingnuts 3y ago
I see kids outside playing in the street and in yards and in my neighborhood park all the time. What suburbs are you folks choosing to live in? also some of your examples, like the CNN article about Maryland, seem like they may be targeted harassment from CPS against parents who they dislike for other reasons. the article is also nine years old -- why didn't you post something about how that story ended? > In June 2015, Maryland officials clarified their views about children playing or walking alone outdoors in a new policy directive, saying Child Protective Services should not be involved in such cases unless children have been harmed or face a substantial risk of harm.[3] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meitiv_incidents https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meitiv_incidents The investigation went nowhere. So who cares? this is an isolated incident that caused a set of parents to have a single bad encounter with police. surely that's a problem with police more than anything? I don't understand the motivation for posting misleading links like this

dingnuts 3y ago

I see kids outside playing in the street and in yards and in my neighborhood park all the time. What suburbs are you folks choosing to live in? also some of your examples, like the CNN article about Maryland, seem like they may be targeted harassment from CPS against parents who they dislike for other reasons. the article is also nine years old -- why didn't you post something about how that story ended? > In June 2015, Maryland officials clarified their views about children playing or walking alone outdoors in a new policy directive, saying Child Protective Services should not be involved in such cases unless children have been harmed or face a substantial risk of harm.[3] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meitiv_incidents https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meitiv_incidents The investigation went nowhere. So who cares? this is an isolated incident that caused a set of parents to have a single bad encounter with police. surely that's a problem with police more than anything? I don't understand the motivation for posting misleading links like this