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FBI Agent Says He Hassles People 'Every Day, All Day Long' over Facebook Posts

24 points by delichon 3y ago

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zeroCalories 3y ago
Eh, is it normal for the FBI to show up based on luke warm Facebook posts? Either 1. we don't have the full story, or 2. the FBI is engaging in targeted harassment against Muslims. Maybe I missed it, but do we have evidence of 2? If not, I can only assume it's 1.
- rubyfan 3y ago
  Isn’t this evidence of targeted harassment? Your logic sort of indicates that without evidence of the government wrongdoing then the subject is likely guilty of something. The burden of proof is on the state is it not?
  - zeroCalories 3y ago
    None of this is evidence. If the FBI had a good reason to show up, then now we're back to 0. We would need a prior identifiable pattern of behavior to make such an assumption. As for the burden of proof, it's true that the FBI is responsible for justifying their actions, but that's not applicable here. This isn't a court case, the lady isn't going to sue, and the article didn't even try to get a statement from the FBI. Also, I forgot another case 3. the FBI made a one time simple mistake. Without more information, I don't particularly care to give this woman any sympathy.
    - rubyfan 3y ago
      Presumption of innocence isn’t sympathy.
      - zeroCalories 3y ago
        This isn't a court room. I don't need to grant a presumption of innocence.
    - greyface- 3y ago
      > the article didn't even try to get a statement from the FBI. > Kayla McCleery, a spokeswoman for the FBI's Oklahoma City office, declined to comment.
      - zeroCalories 3y ago
        Guess I'm wrong on that. Makes me a little less doubtful.
- greyface- 3y ago
  > do we have evidence of 2? https://theintercept.com/2023/10/13/palestinians-muslims-fbi/ https://theintercept.com/2023/10/13/palestinians-muslims-fbi... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/22/fbi-muslim-employees-discrimination-religion-middle-east-travel https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/22/fbi-muslim-e... https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/the-fbi-and-religion/517746/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/the-fbi...
  - zeroCalories 3y ago
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- logtempo 3y ago
  From the article, it's a FB report to the FBI that decided to show up (on a videocall?) to ask if everything is OK. To me, it sounds like if the guy working at Starbuck hear a guy saying harmfull things outloud, call cops, cops come to say hello, and nothing happen. I don't see it heavily authoritarian, though I can easily imagine how it could be if it has some "bad" patterns
1letterunixname 3y ago
Seems like non-scalable effort by a LEA misrepresenting about keeping us "safe", wasting agent time, and pissing away taxpayer money. Surely, they should instead use taxpayer money more effectively by paying a boiler room army of non-FBI agents and AI chatbots to go about bringing warm leads to them. Perhaps instead of infiltrating peace activists and minority activist groups, they ought to be catching real criminals rather than silencing dissent or entrapping people into committing crimes.
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wumeow 3y ago
> Abdeljawad's Facebook timeline is public, so the FBI agents could have found it themselves. For the past week, she has made multiple angry posts per day about the war in Gaza, referring to Israel as "Israhell." But none of the posts on her feed call for violence That you can see, but she may have deleted something.

24 points by delichon 3y ago

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Eh, is it normal for the FBI to show up based on luke warm Facebook posts? Either 1. we don't have the full story, or 2. the FBI is engaging in targeted harassment against Muslims. Maybe I missed it, but do we have evidence of 2? If not, I can only assume it's 1.

rubyfan 3y ago
Isn’t this evidence of targeted harassment? Your logic sort of indicates that without evidence of the government wrongdoing then the subject is likely guilty of something. The burden of proof is on the state is it not?
- zeroCalories 3y ago
  None of this is evidence. If the FBI had a good reason to show up, then now we're back to 0. We would need a prior identifiable pattern of behavior to make such an assumption. As for the burden of proof, it's true that the FBI is responsible for justifying their actions, but that's not applicable here. This isn't a court case, the lady isn't going to sue, and the article didn't even try to get a statement from the FBI. Also, I forgot another case 3. the FBI made a one time simple mistake. Without more information, I don't particularly care to give this woman any sympathy.
  - rubyfan 3y ago
    Presumption of innocence isn’t sympathy.
    - zeroCalories 3y ago
      This isn't a court room. I don't need to grant a presumption of innocence.
  - greyface- 3y ago
    > the article didn't even try to get a statement from the FBI. > Kayla McCleery, a spokeswoman for the FBI's Oklahoma City office, declined to comment.
    - zeroCalories 3y ago
      Guess I'm wrong on that. Makes me a little less doubtful.
greyface- 3y ago
> do we have evidence of 2? https://theintercept.com/2023/10/13/palestinians-muslims-fbi/ https://theintercept.com/2023/10/13/palestinians-muslims-fbi... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/22/fbi-muslim-employees-discrimination-religion-middle-east-travel https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/22/fbi-muslim-e... https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/the-fbi-and-religion/517746/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/the-fbi...
- zeroCalories 3y ago
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logtempo 3y ago
From the article, it's a FB report to the FBI that decided to show up (on a videocall?) to ask if everything is OK. To me, it sounds like if the guy working at Starbuck hear a guy saying harmfull things outloud, call cops, cops come to say hello, and nothing happen. I don't see it heavily authoritarian, though I can easily imagine how it could be if it has some "bad" patterns

1letterunixname 3y ago

Seems like non-scalable effort by a LEA misrepresenting about keeping us "safe", wasting agent time, and pissing away taxpayer money. Surely, they should instead use taxpayer money more effectively by paying a boiler room army of non-FBI agents and AI chatbots to go about bringing warm leads to them. Perhaps instead of infiltrating peace activists and minority activist groups, they ought to be catching real criminals rather than silencing dissent or entrapping people into committing crimes.

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wumeow 3y ago

> Abdeljawad's Facebook timeline is public, so the FBI agents could have found it themselves. For the past week, she has made multiple angry posts per day about the war in Gaza, referring to Israel as "Israhell." But none of the posts on her feed call for violence That you can see, but she may have deleted something.