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> had all sorts of issues with Safari Tangential rant, but this appears to be intentional. As far as I can tell, Apple is intentionally lagging behind supporti

by andai 3y ago

> had all sorts of issues with Safari Tangential rant, but this appears to be intentional. As far as I can tell, Apple is intentionally lagging behind supporting various web technologies, to make the web as unattractive as possible (within their ecosystem), and by extension, to make native app development as attractive as possible, so they can take a cut of the profits. If their reasoning is correct, then they would actually lose money by not investing into their own browser engine, which is somewhat amusing, because the worse of a job they do, the more money they make. (I find this idea particularly painful in the context of "we at Apple love web technology so much, we're going to use our love of web as our main excuse for killing Flash"...)

keepamovin 3y ago
Not a great strategy. Can't compare apples and oranges. Long term weakening their web offering will only strengthen their competition and likely have compounding effects against their app store. Maybe it's a short term thing for them. Seems a better way would be to embrace web and create the synergies with their existing offerings that boost both...but, I think this highlights the issue It's not so much about a binary choice between app store vs web. I think it's more just, the web is not very "Apple". It's too open, wild. If they go "all in" on the web, they'd be afraid to risk "losing themselves" or fucking something up and creating a backlash.
- simfree 3y ago
  This strategy of trying to snuff out web apps by locking all iOS users into a decade out of date fork of Chrome that only gets a trickle of new features, and those features consistently have added UX friction that exists in no other modern borders is working in North America.
  - keepamovin 3y ago
    True, it works some. But think of what could be done if they could get beyond their, albeit understandable, web aversion. Tho I disagree that Safari is so defunkt as you make out. They have a bunch of new features. Check out: https://webkit.org/blog/15243/release-notes-for-safari-technology-preview-191/ https://webkit.org/blog/15243/release-notes-for-safari-techn...
matthewmacleod 3y ago
Just seems trivially obviously not the case to me, but seems like a popular meme regardless.
- andai 3y ago
  https://old.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/1brp9jn/i_made_a_site_that_shows_the_missing_web_features/ https://old.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/1brp9jn/i_made_a_si... https://ios404.com/ https://ios404.com/
halfmatthalfcat 3y ago
To be fair to them though, they’re the only browser where you can transfer RTCDataChannels to workers and get that off the main thread. All others are still lagging behind there.

by andai 3y ago

keepamovin 3y ago

Not a great strategy. Can't compare apples and oranges. Long term weakening their web offering will only strengthen their competition and likely have compounding effects against their app store. Maybe it's a short term thing for them. Seems a better way would be to embrace web and create the synergies with their existing offerings that boost both...but, I think this highlights the issue It's not so much about a binary choice between app store vs web. I think it's more just, the web is not very "Apple". It's too open, wild. If they go "all in" on the web, they'd be afraid to risk "losing themselves" or fucking something up and creating a backlash.

simfree 3y ago
This strategy of trying to snuff out web apps by locking all iOS users into a decade out of date fork of Chrome that only gets a trickle of new features, and those features consistently have added UX friction that exists in no other modern borders is working in North America.
- keepamovin 3y ago
  True, it works some. But think of what could be done if they could get beyond their, albeit understandable, web aversion. Tho I disagree that Safari is so defunkt as you make out. They have a bunch of new features. Check out: https://webkit.org/blog/15243/release-notes-for-safari-technology-preview-191/ https://webkit.org/blog/15243/release-notes-for-safari-techn...

matthewmacleod 3y ago

Just seems trivially obviously not the case to me, but seems like a popular meme regardless.

andai 3y ago
https://old.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/1brp9jn/i_made_a_site_that_shows_the_missing_web_features/ https://old.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/1brp9jn/i_made_a_si... https://ios404.com/ https://ios404.com/

halfmatthalfcat 3y ago

To be fair to them though, they’re the only browser where you can transfer RTCDataChannels to workers and get that off the main thread. All others are still lagging behind there.