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I'm surprised that the FIA + FOM haven't clocked on to this, the 2026 power unit regulations could have been a good chance to bring back V10s combined with synt

by scrlk 3y ago

I'm surprised that the FIA + FOM haven't clocked on to this, the 2026 power unit regulations could have been a good chance to bring back V10s combined with synthetic fuel. A comparison of the current V6 turbo hybrid against V8/V10/V12: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul8ZUBdHCPA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul8ZUBdHCPA

Rinzler89 3y ago
> could have been a good chance to bring back V10s Not possible. We're in the cost-cap era of F1 and teams spent way too much time and money on those turbo hybrid V6 engines to suddenly bin them and start developing hybrid V10s along with new chassis that can accommodate them. It would have been cool though, but not economically viable in the current era. The sunk cost fallacy.
- photonbucket 3y ago
  They could easily change the cost-cap to exclude engines (if they arent already). The big teams who actually develop the engines aren't actually short on cash
  - Rinzler89 3y ago
    They already dropped the MGU-H from the 2026 V6 engines in order to convince Audi and GM to enter as engine manufacturers since that component addend extra cost and had no applications in road vehicles so we can assume that they wouldn't have been thrilled to enter if they had to developed V10s now. Yeah, maybe Ferrari had unlimited moneys for V10 development, but for Mercedes Daimler already is skeptical about the benefits of the F1 program, and Renault's engines just suck this season, and Honda left the F1 program in 2020 then decided to not leave just for Aston Martin but would have probably nto been the case had they needed to switch to V10s.
- replygirl 3y ago
  I'd argue sticking with the turbo hybrids in 2026 is the outcome of a sunk cost fallacy: FIA have already acknowledged the complexity has been unsustainable by dropping the MGU-H; Red Bull successfully campaigned for the engine freeze just so they could get RBPT set up for 2026; Renault have been totally unable to catch up even taking full advantage of the reliability loophole and moving to split-turbo. Surely dropping turbos and electric propulsion would save more than going back to more cylinders would cost.

by scrlk 3y ago

Rinzler89 3y ago

> could have been a good chance to bring back V10s Not possible. We're in the cost-cap era of F1 and teams spent way too much time and money on those turbo hybrid V6 engines to suddenly bin them and start developing hybrid V10s along with new chassis that can accommodate them. It would have been cool though, but not economically viable in the current era. The sunk cost fallacy.

photonbucket 3y ago
They could easily change the cost-cap to exclude engines (if they arent already). The big teams who actually develop the engines aren't actually short on cash
- Rinzler89 3y ago
  They already dropped the MGU-H from the 2026 V6 engines in order to convince Audi and GM to enter as engine manufacturers since that component addend extra cost and had no applications in road vehicles so we can assume that they wouldn't have been thrilled to enter if they had to developed V10s now. Yeah, maybe Ferrari had unlimited moneys for V10 development, but for Mercedes Daimler already is skeptical about the benefits of the F1 program, and Renault's engines just suck this season, and Honda left the F1 program in 2020 then decided to not leave just for Aston Martin but would have probably nto been the case had they needed to switch to V10s.
replygirl 3y ago
I'd argue sticking with the turbo hybrids in 2026 is the outcome of a sunk cost fallacy: FIA have already acknowledged the complexity has been unsustainable by dropping the MGU-H; Red Bull successfully campaigned for the engine freeze just so they could get RBPT set up for 2026; Renault have been totally unable to catch up even taking full advantage of the reliability loophole and moving to split-turbo. Surely dropping turbos and electric propulsion would save more than going back to more cylinders would cost.