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as bad as Google is becoming, does it need saving to survive?

onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago
Anthropic (which Google owns a large stake in) and Gemini are 2 of the 3 best LLMs (both of which outperform GPT in at least some non-trivial tasks). Is it really that bad? Or is it just en vogue to trash?
- aneutron 3y ago
  My opinion is quite simpler: GPT got the 1st mover's advantage from a marketing perspective, and until Google, Anthropic or another proposes something VASTLY revolutionary for the layperson, then it's unlikely they'll "catch up" (which is only a percetion ofc, perhaps a wrong one at that)
- dkasper 3y ago
  Imo the criticisms are more cultural or philosophical than technical, ie the Gemini image search kerfuffle. Clearly Google and Anthropic have a lot of solid people.
- CuriouslyC 3y ago
  Gemini is painfully over censored. It is good at some niche tasks and probably the best commercial vision model though. I think people just don't want to spend time evaluating a model if it's mostly not great.
  - Jensson 3y ago
    Google would fix that really quickly if it became a do or die situation. All they need to do is throw out all the overeager social justice people who wants to ruin the model by censoring it. Wouldn't surprise me if a lot of organizational changes already happened after the last debacle. Currently Google care more about PR with ad customers than market share but if things continue like this that will change really quick.
- rileyphone 3y ago
  LLMs aren't nearly as monetizable (now) as search ads. Very possible that search collapses in the near future alongside the open web, and that whole line of revenue destroyed.
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  - PunchTornado 3y ago
    I find Gemini the best. Paying the 20£ subscription for advanced. It's been almost 2 months since I opened chatGPT, gemini completely replaced it for me and I'm a happy customer. Everyone has their preference and maybe some people like you prefer chatGPT, but the way google makes deals with other companies like apple and samsung, I don't see openai competing in the future.
    - ijijijjij 3y ago
      > maybe some people like you prefer chatGPT not sure when I said that... that's news to me > I don't see openai competing in the future. I think you can see it in one of the branches of the possible future.
- elorant 3y ago
  The problem isn't who has the best LLM, but how can you monetize a LLM the way you monetize search. Can you apply keyword auctions on LLMs and then have links? Will that work? We don't know, and I haven't read any concrete study on the issue.
  - mattlondon 3y ago
    I feel like if anything it will be easier to target ads with LLM queries. The user intent will be so much easier to identify, and it would be trivial to show ads based on it.
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joloooo 3y ago
Even if they're in a superior position from resources and talent, this feels like a case of innovators' dilemma with a hard shift of their existing business model and culture. It would almost make more sense for Alphabet to spin off an ML-centric company and focus growth there.

Anthropic (which Google owns a large stake in) and Gemini are 2 of the 3 best LLMs (both of which outperform GPT in at least some non-trivial tasks). Is it really that bad? Or is it just en vogue to trash?

aneutron 3y ago
My opinion is quite simpler: GPT got the 1st mover's advantage from a marketing perspective, and until Google, Anthropic or another proposes something VASTLY revolutionary for the layperson, then it's unlikely they'll "catch up" (which is only a percetion ofc, perhaps a wrong one at that)
dkasper 3y ago
Imo the criticisms are more cultural or philosophical than technical, ie the Gemini image search kerfuffle. Clearly Google and Anthropic have a lot of solid people.
CuriouslyC 3y ago
Gemini is painfully over censored. It is good at some niche tasks and probably the best commercial vision model though. I think people just don't want to spend time evaluating a model if it's mostly not great.
- Jensson 3y ago
  Google would fix that really quickly if it became a do or die situation. All they need to do is throw out all the overeager social justice people who wants to ruin the model by censoring it. Wouldn't surprise me if a lot of organizational changes already happened after the last debacle. Currently Google care more about PR with ad customers than market share but if things continue like this that will change really quick.
rileyphone 3y ago
LLMs aren't nearly as monetizable (now) as search ads. Very possible that search collapses in the near future alongside the open web, and that whole line of revenue destroyed.
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ijijijjij 3y ago
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- PunchTornado 3y ago
  I find Gemini the best. Paying the 20£ subscription for advanced. It's been almost 2 months since I opened chatGPT, gemini completely replaced it for me and I'm a happy customer. Everyone has their preference and maybe some people like you prefer chatGPT, but the way google makes deals with other companies like apple and samsung, I don't see openai competing in the future.
  - ijijijjij 3y ago
    > maybe some people like you prefer chatGPT not sure when I said that... that's news to me > I don't see openai competing in the future. I think you can see it in one of the branches of the possible future.
elorant 3y ago
The problem isn't who has the best LLM, but how can you monetize a LLM the way you monetize search. Can you apply keyword auctions on LLMs and then have links? Will that work? We don't know, and I haven't read any concrete study on the issue.
- mattlondon 3y ago
  I feel like if anything it will be easier to target ads with LLM queries. The user intent will be so much easier to identify, and it would be trivial to show ads based on it.

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joloooo 3y ago

Even if they're in a superior position from resources and talent, this feels like a case of innovators' dilemma with a hard shift of their existing business model and culture. It would almost make more sense for Alphabet to spin off an ML-centric company and focus growth there.