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Sounds good, but it's not like it has been passed. It's just a bill >While the bill is still a draft and has not yet passed the German Parliament, there is rea

by vik0 3y ago

Sounds good, but it's not like it has been passed. It's just a bill >While the bill is still a draft and has not yet passed the German Parliament, there is reason to celebrate: For once politicians want to strengthen encryption, not undermine it. Again, it's just a bill. Is there even any realistic support from German MPs for this bill to get passed? Isn't the German parliament composed of two chambers? Can it pass in both chambers? Also, even if it does get passed, is there some catch? I looked at the bill[1], but I don't understand German, hoping that someone who does can answer that [1]https://cdn.netzpolitik.org/wp-upload/2024/02/2024-02-07_BMDV_RefE_TTDSAendG.pdf https://cdn.netzpolitik.org/wp-upload/2024/02/2024-02-07_BMD...

matchamatcha 3y ago
If I understood correctly, businesses are merely obligated to offer E2EE, where technically possible, and certain user data can still be given to law enforcement (while encrypted?).
Ylpertnodi 3y ago
>Sounds good, but it's not like it has been passed. It's just a bill. As was their decriminalisation of cannabis a bill. ...roll on April 1.
jonp888 3y ago
A parliamentary system as used in Germany works rather differently than the three-way bun fight in the US. The government wrote the law, not individual parliamentarians(for that reason we don't call them "lawmakers"). The first lines at the top of the PDF say "Reference Draft of the Ministry of Digitalisation and Transport". The government is made up like it is, because it has majority control of the parliament. The members of the parties usually do what they are told, partly because they won't get a job in the government if they rebel against party policy. If the government couldn't get it's own laws through the parliament, this would be extremely embarrassing for them and the government would probably collapse and be replaced by a new government, so they will not introduce any bill unless they have resolved conflicts which would prevent it from passing. There is a second house. Similar to the US, it has a handful of representatives from each federal state. However, these representatives are appointed by the state governments and are required to vote according to instructions received from the state governments. Also, they only have to be consulted about certain types of laws. It is extremely rare that they veto anything passed by the main parliament So there will be some debate and probably some amendments, but the chances that the government tries to do something and completely fails is low. Conflicts are solved through negotiation and it's in no-ones interest to grandstand. Bear in mind that almost all governments in Germany are multi-party coalitions, so the best way to ensure you never have any power is to refuse to compromise.

by vik0 3y ago

matchamatcha 3y ago

If I understood correctly, businesses are merely obligated to offer E2EE, where technically possible, and certain user data can still be given to law enforcement (while encrypted?).

Ylpertnodi 3y ago

>Sounds good, but it's not like it has been passed. It's just a bill. As was their decriminalisation of cannabis a bill. ...roll on April 1.

jonp888 3y ago

A parliamentary system as used in Germany works rather differently than the three-way bun fight in the US. The government wrote the law, not individual parliamentarians(for that reason we don't call them "lawmakers"). The first lines at the top of the PDF say "Reference Draft of the Ministry of Digitalisation and Transport". The government is made up like it is, because it has majority control of the parliament. The members of the parties usually do what they are told, partly because they won't get a job in the government if they rebel against party policy. If the government couldn't get it's own laws through the parliament, this would be extremely embarrassing for them and the government would probably collapse and be replaced by a new government, so they will not introduce any bill unless they have resolved conflicts which would prevent it from passing. There is a second house. Similar to the US, it has a handful of representatives from each federal state. However, these representatives are appointed by the state governments and are required to vote according to instructions received from the state governments. Also, they only have to be consulted about certain types of laws. It is extremely rare that they veto anything passed by the main parliament So there will be some debate and probably some amendments, but the chances that the government tries to do something and completely fails is low. Conflicts are solved through negotiation and it's in no-ones interest to grandstand. Bear in mind that almost all governments in Germany are multi-party coalitions, so the best way to ensure you never have any power is to refuse to compromise.