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Back when I was in school about a decade ago, kids came to school sick as dogs as taking time off for being sick was seen as malingering. A friend at another sc

Back when I was in school about a decade ago, kids came to school sick as dogs as taking time off for being sick was seen as malingering. A friend at another school knew a guy who came to school with a stomach bug and puked several times throughout the day as they had a perfect attendance incentive worth grades, so to ensure he got his grades, he walked around puking for the day. I spent plenty of classes hacking and coughing. So I don't think they are reasonable at all. If you are sick, you should stay home should still apply.

williamcotton 3y ago
Minor sniffles and sneezes should not result in anyone staying home. The pandemic has clearly altered this mentality but it doesn’t seem like a good trajectory. A little cold is barely an inconvenience.
- from-nibly 3y ago
  No. Keep your kids home if they are sick. An screw every parent who thinks this way. My family got sick 6 times in the last 12 weeks because of this nonsense. If your kid is sick it's your fault if other kids catch what they have. I dont care if it's "just the sniffles" It causes so much inconveniece for my family.
  - freitzkriesler2 3y ago
    This is how it always was before covid and how it will always be if you send kids to germ factories (aka schools). Get the meds, drink water, go to sleep. Part and parcel of living in modern society.
    - earthling8118 3y ago
      It doesn't have to be this way. Covid has nothing to do with it. I didn't like it then, and don't like it now.
      - freitzkriesler2 3y ago
        Then move to the boondocks. You want the benefits of community without the consequences. It's not going to happen and no I'm not going to sequester myself or wear masks for everyone else's benefit.
  - bombcar 3y ago
    Unfortunately even if you have a "zero sniffles and max masking" policy schools are just a breeding ground for germ transmission. You're usually "infectious" before you're symptomatic, so it spreads like wildfire anyway. School sicknesses are so common that it might almost be argued that the point of public education is to make sure everyone is exposed to as many diseases as possible.
    - fn-mote 3y ago
      I completely disagree with this defeatist attitude, and I do not think it is supported by evidence. Regularly washing your hands reduces spread of the flu by 30%. (Old study, not going to find it.) I will believe anti-disease spread measures are effective until they are proven otherwise. > You're usually "infectious" before you're symptomatic This trait of Covid was what made it unusual. For the flu, the most infectious period days 1-3 with symptoms. ("Period of Contagiousness" in [1]... of course there are exceptions.) [1] https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/keyfacts.htm https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/keyfacts.htm
      - bombcar 3y ago
        Sure, and you should take reasonable precautions (including not penalizing "sick days" in various ways), but if kids go to school they're going to get sick.
        from-nibly 3y ago
        I agree with this but if you knowingly send your sick kid to school everyone should be united in being pissed off at you.
- freitzkriesler2 3y ago
  Pretty much this. People keep kids home now for almost any reason at all and you'll get a chorus of replies telling you that your opinion is wrong. People need to toughen up. Not every cold is covid.
  - nothercastle 3y ago
    Why do you care? Most public schools are so slow now you could miss a month and they would still have not covered more than a week of material
    - freitzkriesler2 3y ago
      If you really think that, then you don't have a kid or worse: you have an abysmal school district. Part and parcel why I purposefully bought a house where the district was highly rated. Missing several weeks is a serious blow.
      - nothercastle 3y ago
        I do have a kid in school. he’s a year ahead in Math simply by taking 1 class a week in supplement math school. Sure we have to do 15 homework day but that’s just an example of how slow they go. My kid is also pretty darn average so it’s not a natural talent thing. I have to drill flash cards with him cause school fails to teach those. All they seem to do is play games on the tablet. Maybe they learn something but it seems more like politically correct tv time.
        freitzkriesler2 3y ago
        Trust me, you're kid is smarter than average simply by virtue of you posting here.
  - jcpst 3y ago
    Also- getting cold symptoms and simply not acknowledging that it could be covid doesn’t make it not covid.
- i80and 3y ago
  If you're sneezing and sniffling, please for the love of god, do not go to the office. Even before the pandemic we had that policy, and it's a very good default. No, colds are not the end of the world, but they are genuinely miserable, and you will share it. And if money is all somebody cares about, well, colds also diminish work output, so one ne'er-do-well going in sick can screw up an entire department's metrics over the course of several months.
  - williamcotton 3y ago
    My office basically dictates that we show up regardless. Why? We work in legal services and our clients depend heavily on us and with massive consequences when we make mistakes. Court mandated deadlines don’t care about a runny nose. I see no measurable impact on performance.
    - usea 3y ago
      This is just another way of saying you're under-staffed so owners can capture more of the value of your labor. It's neither virtuous nor effective.
      - williamcotton 3y ago
        No, it isn’t. I work side-by-side the CEO and as a colleague and he works more hours than anyone else. He’s a great person and a friend. We have multiple people in a company of about 15 who have worked there for over 20 years. Who are you working for?
        nec4b 3y ago
        Maybe for somebody who doesn't make him go to the office when sick?
        deleted 3y ago
        [deleted]
    - 3y ago

williamcotton 3y ago

Minor sniffles and sneezes should not result in anyone staying home. The pandemic has clearly altered this mentality but it doesn’t seem like a good trajectory. A little cold is barely an inconvenience.

from-nibly 3y ago
No. Keep your kids home if they are sick. An screw every parent who thinks this way. My family got sick 6 times in the last 12 weeks because of this nonsense. If your kid is sick it's your fault if other kids catch what they have. I dont care if it's "just the sniffles" It causes so much inconveniece for my family.
- freitzkriesler2 3y ago
  This is how it always was before covid and how it will always be if you send kids to germ factories (aka schools). Get the meds, drink water, go to sleep. Part and parcel of living in modern society.
  - earthling8118 3y ago
    It doesn't have to be this way. Covid has nothing to do with it. I didn't like it then, and don't like it now.
    - freitzkriesler2 3y ago
      Then move to the boondocks. You want the benefits of community without the consequences. It's not going to happen and no I'm not going to sequester myself or wear masks for everyone else's benefit.
- bombcar 3y ago
  Unfortunately even if you have a "zero sniffles and max masking" policy schools are just a breeding ground for germ transmission. You're usually "infectious" before you're symptomatic, so it spreads like wildfire anyway. School sicknesses are so common that it might almost be argued that the point of public education is to make sure everyone is exposed to as many diseases as possible.
  - fn-mote 3y ago
    I completely disagree with this defeatist attitude, and I do not think it is supported by evidence. Regularly washing your hands reduces spread of the flu by 30%. (Old study, not going to find it.) I will believe anti-disease spread measures are effective until they are proven otherwise. > You're usually "infectious" before you're symptomatic This trait of Covid was what made it unusual. For the flu, the most infectious period days 1-3 with symptoms. ("Period of Contagiousness" in [1]... of course there are exceptions.) [1] https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/keyfacts.htm https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/keyfacts.htm
    - bombcar 3y ago
      Sure, and you should take reasonable precautions (including not penalizing "sick days" in various ways), but if kids go to school they're going to get sick.
      - from-nibly 3y ago
        I agree with this but if you knowingly send your sick kid to school everyone should be united in being pissed off at you.
freitzkriesler2 3y ago
Pretty much this. People keep kids home now for almost any reason at all and you'll get a chorus of replies telling you that your opinion is wrong. People need to toughen up. Not every cold is covid.
- nothercastle 3y ago
  Why do you care? Most public schools are so slow now you could miss a month and they would still have not covered more than a week of material
  - freitzkriesler2 3y ago
    If you really think that, then you don't have a kid or worse: you have an abysmal school district. Part and parcel why I purposefully bought a house where the district was highly rated. Missing several weeks is a serious blow.
    - nothercastle 3y ago
      I do have a kid in school. he’s a year ahead in Math simply by taking 1 class a week in supplement math school. Sure we have to do 15 homework day but that’s just an example of how slow they go. My kid is also pretty darn average so it’s not a natural talent thing. I have to drill flash cards with him cause school fails to teach those. All they seem to do is play games on the tablet. Maybe they learn something but it seems more like politically correct tv time.
      - freitzkriesler2 3y ago
        Trust me, you're kid is smarter than average simply by virtue of you posting here.
- jcpst 3y ago
  Also- getting cold symptoms and simply not acknowledging that it could be covid doesn’t make it not covid.
i80and 3y ago
If you're sneezing and sniffling, please for the love of god, do not go to the office. Even before the pandemic we had that policy, and it's a very good default. No, colds are not the end of the world, but they are genuinely miserable, and you will share it. And if money is all somebody cares about, well, colds also diminish work output, so one ne'er-do-well going in sick can screw up an entire department's metrics over the course of several months.
- williamcotton 3y ago
  My office basically dictates that we show up regardless. Why? We work in legal services and our clients depend heavily on us and with massive consequences when we make mistakes. Court mandated deadlines don’t care about a runny nose. I see no measurable impact on performance.
  - usea 3y ago
    This is just another way of saying you're under-staffed so owners can capture more of the value of your labor. It's neither virtuous nor effective.
    - williamcotton 3y ago
      No, it isn’t. I work side-by-side the CEO and as a colleague and he works more hours than anyone else. He’s a great person and a friend. We have multiple people in a company of about 15 who have worked there for over 20 years. Who are you working for?
      - nec4b 3y ago
        Maybe for somebody who doesn't make him go to the office when sick?
        deleted 3y ago
        [deleted]
  - 3y ago