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No equality for working women in any country in the world, study reveals

udgv67 3y ago
Things are changing just slower than anyone wants. I'd like to see more experiments with all women firms. I think, that way lot of energy wastage, dealing with soon to be extinct cretins, can be avoided.
- rfrey 3y ago
  Do you think women who have the personality and temperament to rise to the top in 2024 corporations will act substantially different than the men who are there today? Why?
- almatabata 3y ago
  This made me remember this story where a women created a firm where she hired only women. It was a disaster (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1168182/Catfights-handbags-tears-toilets-When-producer-launched-women-TV-company-thought-shed-kissed-goodbye-conflict-.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1168182/Catfights...). Point being there is nothing magical about women that would solve all our problems. I would much rather see a balanced workforce than trying for creating this pure homogeneous workforce.
- snapplebobapple 3y ago
  I'd like to see more experiments with firms that actually focus on providing a better product more effectively to maximize shareholder profit legitimately rather than through abusing dark patterns/ignoring the business purpose entirely for weird ESG goals. When that was the norm rather than an experiment progress happened at a much faster rate and progress makes us all rich enough to pursue our dreams and interests rather than toil at work all day to scrape by. Focusing on technological improvement to drive sustainable economic growth makes firm composition irrelevant because it gives individuals more freedom to pursue whatever they want to pursue. It's so pointless to argue about what percentage of which group should be toiling in which salt mine. The goal should be to grow enough that we have the leeway to pursue our individual interests
CartyBoston 3y ago
Well the tech industry is certainly in no position to help or pass judgement, our lack of diversity is a industy-wide disgrace.
- asib 3y ago
  Why is the tech industry not in a position to help? Every industry is in a position to help, as is every person, whether in small or large ways.
YeGoblynQueenne 3y ago
Thanks for vouching.
retskrad 3y ago
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- javier123454321 3y ago
  Meh, as a non white person, I don't think about it much, if at all.
- anon291 3y ago
  I'm not white and based on my industry it seems harder to be white. Honestly I'm not denying racism, but as I've told so many people who allege it matters, I just go and cry in my bank account.
  - silverquiet 3y ago
    I'm a tall white dude who's a lowly individual contributor and people have asked if I own the company.
    - anon291 3y ago
      I'm a tall brown man and people have asked me that too. In general, im quite social and extroverted and have gotten every job I've interviewed for. Even managed to get a job as a strategy consultant at bain and company despite realistically having no credentials. Sweet talking is a skill that crosses boundaries of melanin. Some white people have this weird habit of assuming that good things happen because of their magical skin color. It's insufferable honestly. No one cares if you're a white guy who thinks he's so attractive / devilishly charming that people fawn over him. Lots of people have that experience. Goodness the self-aggrandizement knows no bounds
      - silverquiet 3y ago
        You seem to have made quite a lot of assumptions about me.
        3y ago
ilrwbwrkhv 3y ago
This will never be equal if safety and childbirth are taken into account. Men are stronger than women and women have to deliver babies and have lots of hormonal changes. That gap will never be filled and we shouldn't be trying. Instead we should work on making our society be such that women don't need to work and one person income is sufficient to run a family. What is tremendously sad is that today women have to work and also take care of the kids (who naturally prefer mommy since they were inside her). So they have to work much more than men and get paid less. Instead, one person income should be sufficient and then moms can spend the first 3 years of her life being with and taking care of the children. Of course if someone doesn't want to do that, it's totally fair, but today society pushes women to go back to work as soon as the baby drops out.
- atomicnumber3 3y ago
  See, I read this and take it the exact opposite direction. Here's my 2c, as someone who got generous paternity leave with 2 of my kids and 0 paternity leave with one of them, now watching many peers have their kids too. Here's 1 neat trick to help the whole situation a LOT:MANDATORY 1 year parental leave for the mother and father. it must be mandatory for both genders, or women will be pressured to take less and men will be pressured (or tempted) to take less or none (whereas women are of course physically forced to take at least some). Employers will whinge and cry about this because of productivity or something like that. I regret to inform them that whether they like it or not, any parent of a less-than-one-year-old is going to be pretty un-useful at work during that first year. I know I was. Waking up 2-3 times per night, every single night, for a year is a real great way to get very little done that isn't programmed into your lizard brain's firmware. Childless adults will complain it's unfair. They should not - these children are who is going to pay for their social security and who will generate the capital gains to fund their IRA/401k retirement. They're just getting to skip out on the work of raising them. We also need a lot of work in society to encourage fathers to be present and actually share the weight of child-rearing. Too much still falls to women all too often. But that's of course a lot harder to fix with policy. Mandatory parental leave is comparatively easy.
  - silverquiet 3y ago
hello_computer 3y ago
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hello_computer 3y ago
World Bank complains, "How do you expect these countries to make their payments on-time when their women are raising their own children instead of working in our sweatshops?"

Things are changing just slower than anyone wants. I'd like to see more experiments with all women firms. I think, that way lot of energy wastage, dealing with soon to be extinct cretins, can be avoided.

rfrey 3y ago
Do you think women who have the personality and temperament to rise to the top in 2024 corporations will act substantially different than the men who are there today? Why?
almatabata 3y ago
This made me remember this story where a women created a firm where she hired only women. It was a disaster (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1168182/Catfights-handbags-tears-toilets-When-producer-launched-women-TV-company-thought-shed-kissed-goodbye-conflict-.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1168182/Catfights...). Point being there is nothing magical about women that would solve all our problems. I would much rather see a balanced workforce than trying for creating this pure homogeneous workforce.
snapplebobapple 3y ago
I'd like to see more experiments with firms that actually focus on providing a better product more effectively to maximize shareholder profit legitimately rather than through abusing dark patterns/ignoring the business purpose entirely for weird ESG goals. When that was the norm rather than an experiment progress happened at a much faster rate and progress makes us all rich enough to pursue our dreams and interests rather than toil at work all day to scrape by. Focusing on technological improvement to drive sustainable economic growth makes firm composition irrelevant because it gives individuals more freedom to pursue whatever they want to pursue. It's so pointless to argue about what percentage of which group should be toiling in which salt mine. The goal should be to grow enough that we have the leeway to pursue our individual interests

CartyBoston 3y ago

Well the tech industry is certainly in no position to help or pass judgement, our lack of diversity is a industy-wide disgrace.

asib 3y ago
Why is the tech industry not in a position to help? Every industry is in a position to help, as is every person, whether in small or large ways.

YeGoblynQueenne 3y ago

Thanks for vouching.

retskrad 3y ago

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javier123454321 3y ago
Meh, as a non white person, I don't think about it much, if at all.
anon291 3y ago
I'm not white and based on my industry it seems harder to be white. Honestly I'm not denying racism, but as I've told so many people who allege it matters, I just go and cry in my bank account.
- silverquiet 3y ago
  I'm a tall white dude who's a lowly individual contributor and people have asked if I own the company.
  - anon291 3y ago
    I'm a tall brown man and people have asked me that too. In general, im quite social and extroverted and have gotten every job I've interviewed for. Even managed to get a job as a strategy consultant at bain and company despite realistically having no credentials. Sweet talking is a skill that crosses boundaries of melanin. Some white people have this weird habit of assuming that good things happen because of their magical skin color. It's insufferable honestly. No one cares if you're a white guy who thinks he's so attractive / devilishly charming that people fawn over him. Lots of people have that experience. Goodness the self-aggrandizement knows no bounds
    - silverquiet 3y ago
      You seem to have made quite a lot of assumptions about me.
      - 3y ago

ilrwbwrkhv 3y ago

This will never be equal if safety and childbirth are taken into account. Men are stronger than women and women have to deliver babies and have lots of hormonal changes. That gap will never be filled and we shouldn't be trying. Instead we should work on making our society be such that women don't need to work and one person income is sufficient to run a family. What is tremendously sad is that today women have to work and also take care of the kids (who naturally prefer mommy since they were inside her). So they have to work much more than men and get paid less. Instead, one person income should be sufficient and then moms can spend the first 3 years of her life being with and taking care of the children. Of course if someone doesn't want to do that, it's totally fair, but today society pushes women to go back to work as soon as the baby drops out.

atomicnumber3 3y ago
See, I read this and take it the exact opposite direction. Here's my 2c, as someone who got generous paternity leave with 2 of my kids and 0 paternity leave with one of them, now watching many peers have their kids too. Here's 1 neat trick to help the whole situation a LOT:MANDATORY 1 year parental leave for the mother and father. it must be mandatory for both genders, or women will be pressured to take less and men will be pressured (or tempted) to take less or none (whereas women are of course physically forced to take at least some). Employers will whinge and cry about this because of productivity or something like that. I regret to inform them that whether they like it or not, any parent of a less-than-one-year-old is going to be pretty un-useful at work during that first year. I know I was. Waking up 2-3 times per night, every single night, for a year is a real great way to get very little done that isn't programmed into your lizard brain's firmware. Childless adults will complain it's unfair. They should not - these children are who is going to pay for their social security and who will generate the capital gains to fund their IRA/401k retirement. They're just getting to skip out on the work of raising them. We also need a lot of work in society to encourage fathers to be present and actually share the weight of child-rearing. Too much still falls to women all too often. But that's of course a lot harder to fix with policy. Mandatory parental leave is comparatively easy.
- silverquiet 3y ago

hello_computer 3y ago

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hello_computer 3y ago

World Bank complains, "How do you expect these countries to make their payments on-time when their women are raising their own children instead of working in our sweatshops?"