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That's what put the final nail in my ability to accept Cartesian dualism. (Edit: The way psychoactives deeply affect the working of a mind, not the prospect of

by taneq 3y ago

That's what put the final nail in my ability to accept Cartesian dualism. (Edit: The way psychoactives deeply affect the working of a mind, not the prospect of the sun being a butthole, of course.) Psychoactives don't just filter your senses, they change reality (your own subjective reality, of course.)

cess11 3y ago
There's still a lot to figure out but we can phenomenologically and cognitively grasp the structures of consciousness by the use of drugs and modern science, which leaves very little room for the remnants of christian dualism, whether as 'the hard problem', 'panpsychism' or the trans-/consubstantiation of the eucharist. Maybe there is a demon in my head giving me the illusion of reality being perceived as a projection on the cerebral cortex, and it's reliable malleability under caffeine, MDMA, LSD, cannabis and so on. If so, I find this model of better utility than going with vibes and prayer and belief in eternity and so on that comes with the descendants of christian dualism in liberalism, 'panpsychism', analytic philosophy, &c. Edit: Kierkegaard wrote quite interesting texts about the structures of consciousness, I'd recommend The Sickness unto Death as a start. It has some of his best jokes.
- fylham 3y ago
  You might be interested in this well-written paper on this subject: https://academic.oup.com/ijnp/article/24/8/615/6275567?login=false https://academic.oup.com/ijnp/article/24/8/615/6275567?login...
  - cess11 3y ago
    Thanks, a skim says it's a pretty good overview of where the lab folks are at. I'll read it more closely later. Science moves very slowly and very fast in this area, slowly with regards to psychoactives due to stuff like politicians, fast in neuroscience where new technology has allowed leaps for decades, since the eighties or so.
- taneq 3y ago
  > Maybe there is a demon in my head giving me the illusion of reality Me too! And yeah and if it weren't for that guy I could be a perfectly adequate automaton instead of dealing with this 'consciousness' nonsense. :P
- knotthebest 3y ago
  I’m not sure how this would solve the hard problem. Could you please elaborate on that?

by taneq 3y ago

cess11 3y ago

There's still a lot to figure out but we can phenomenologically and cognitively grasp the structures of consciousness by the use of drugs and modern science, which leaves very little room for the remnants of christian dualism, whether as 'the hard problem', 'panpsychism' or the trans-/consubstantiation of the eucharist. Maybe there is a demon in my head giving me the illusion of reality being perceived as a projection on the cerebral cortex, and it's reliable malleability under caffeine, MDMA, LSD, cannabis and so on. If so, I find this model of better utility than going with vibes and prayer and belief in eternity and so on that comes with the descendants of christian dualism in liberalism, 'panpsychism', analytic philosophy, &c. Edit: Kierkegaard wrote quite interesting texts about the structures of consciousness, I'd recommend The Sickness unto Death as a start. It has some of his best jokes.

fylham 3y ago
You might be interested in this well-written paper on this subject: https://academic.oup.com/ijnp/article/24/8/615/6275567?login=false https://academic.oup.com/ijnp/article/24/8/615/6275567?login...
- cess11 3y ago
  Thanks, a skim says it's a pretty good overview of where the lab folks are at. I'll read it more closely later. Science moves very slowly and very fast in this area, slowly with regards to psychoactives due to stuff like politicians, fast in neuroscience where new technology has allowed leaps for decades, since the eighties or so.
taneq 3y ago
> Maybe there is a demon in my head giving me the illusion of reality Me too! And yeah and if it weren't for that guy I could be a perfectly adequate automaton instead of dealing with this 'consciousness' nonsense. :P
knotthebest 3y ago
I’m not sure how this would solve the hard problem. Could you please elaborate on that?