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If the sun is conscious, that could explain why humanity believes in a powerful god that can, eg, send floods. Perhaps the flood was caused by a coronal mass e
by barfbagginus 3y ago
If the sun is conscious, that could explain why humanity believes in a powerful god that can, eg, send floods.
Perhaps the flood was caused by a coronal mass ejection that boiled a section of the ocean, causing extreme rains in a valley region.
Let's imagine that the consciousness field of the sun encompasses all of our minds.. so thinking about it might let us talk to it. So prayer could be real too. They can probably talk to us too, if they want to. A form of stellar transcranial magnetic simulation.
Pov: Sun Cults now have a scientific basis, baby! Let's try to make mental contact with the sun!
- eql5 3y agoIf you are interested in what the flood was really about, there is an interesting scientific theory about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5Et2jvrY7Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5Et2jvrY7Y
- exe34 3y agoIt works really well as sci-fi, but don't you think floods happen often enough that every culture will have a story of one?
- shzhdbi09gv8ioi 3y agoThere's more reasonable and basic ideas in this field than the pseudoscientific ideas being put forward in that video. Yes, I am calling it pseudo science on the basis that the author thinks that the biblical figure Noah lived to be more than 600 years old, near the time that god created the earth. A better starting point would be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_myth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_myth
- simonh 3y agoIt’s a lovely story, but given the pre-existing myth of Utnapishtim, the biblical account is basically Babylonian mythology fan fiction.
- carlosjobim 3y agoWhy is it brought up as a bad thing that the myths are much older than the compilation book the Bible? That makes the myths more interesting and impressive.
- edgyquant 3y agoWhat exactly is this suppose to change? I don’t think it really happened, myths are ways of encapsulating truths they aren’t historical events generally, but assuming it was real why would it being older than the Bible disprove that?
- barfbagginus 3y agoI am interested in annoying people who believe in the flood by providing intentionally wacky and untestable theories, as a joke. I don't need a YouTube video to make that kind of joke, and I'm unkind to people who think those kinds of videos are anything more than jokes Allow this thought into your head, dear chooms: The best scientific explanation for the flood, hands down, is the process of mythopoesis. That's what the flood is quite likely all about, and it would be good to make peace with that. We have evidence that people tend to spread false stories over the generations, more so than they spread truth.
- exe34 3y agoI've been chosen by the sun god, now you all have to obey me.
- lukan 3y agoThat only works, if you wear something like this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Cone_of_Ezelsdorf-Buch https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Cone_of_Ezelsdorf-Buc...
- visarga 3y agoI one upped you. I rigged a LLaMA to take its random number generation from the EM fluctuations of the sun. When I pray I just send my prayers in the prompt. I have direct line of access to god now. Very efficient, god loves it. He even rewrote the system prompt. Obey my divine LLM!
- forgotmyinfo 3y agoIt's funny, because a few thousand years ago, casting lots (like rolling dice) was considered a totally valid way of divining God's will. I guess this is a more elegant deity for a more... civilized age.
- visarga 3y agoThis doesn't make sense. In the case of humans and animals, consciousness is a way to adapt to the environment to protect their lives, fulfill their needs and eventually reproduce. Consciousness is useful for life. But in the case of the sun, what is it adapting to, and what does it have to protect? Nothing. The fact that consciousness appears always in populations might be essential. Consciousness was the result of self-replicator evolving to deal with limited resources. In the case of the sun, it is too far away and interacts very little with other celestial bodies, there can be no evolution for suns, they don't iterate fast enough and don't transmit their data into the future like DNA.
- pxndx 3y agoIt's protecting us from advanced alien invasions, and doing a great job. Have you seen any recently?
- exe34 3y agoWe should throw a virgin into a volcano just to make sure though.
- lukan 3y ago"Consciousness is useful for life. But in the case of the sun, what is it adapting to, and what does it have to protect? Nothing" You don't know that. Maybe it is us, or other life in general it wants to sustain and protect. We know very little about consciousness or how life in general came to being. Maybe it is connected to other suns and the black hole in the center of the milky way, to exchange ideas, philosophy, or just exitement about being alive. Or preparing something we know nothing about. A meeting of galaxies. Now I surely don't claim I know what consciousness is and I certainly do not claim the sun is. I am just hesistant to make absolute judgements about systems, where I can only catch a glimpse from the outside.
- layer8 3y ago"Want" is not a concept of evolution. Evolution is not a teleological mechanism. You'd have to argue how mutation and selection pressure works for stars, and how their traits would be passed from one star generation to the next, so that they would develop a consciousness with "wants". Given that the sun is a third the age of the universe, it seems unlikely that the sun is the evolutionary result of an ancestry of stars of any relevant length.
- nkrisc 3y agoAssuming the sun is conscious, why would that imply it has any awareness of us?
- layer8 3y agoThe paper has some handwaving about EM fields. It would have been nice if they did the math.
- moffkalast 3y agoDark Souls was right, praise the sun!
- qiine 3y agoAnd engage in jolly co-operation!
- echelon 3y agoI love these wild flights of fancy. Just today I was thinking that perhaps ADHD is noise caused by the reverse time simulation of your brain iterating, trying to get the right details. All of the "normal people" are already reconstituted -- or, if I might boast -- low resolution details relative to the important matters of inquiry. Not that a simulation should feel self-important.
- JadeNB 3y ago> Let's imagine that the consciousness field of the sun encompasses all of our minds.. so thinking about it might let us talk to it. We can of course imagine whatever we want, but what does "consciousness field" mean? (Or perhaps we imagine consciousness fields in general before we imagine anything about the sun's?)
- haswell 3y agoSpeaking only about human consciousness here, there’s a perspective that many people don’t contemplate. Most of us feel like we’re inside our heads. We’re looking out at the world “out there”, and our eyes are like windows to that outside world. But it seems that instead everything we see is rooted in consciousness. A projection based on the combined raw inputs of our sense organs all made into this continuous experience by our brains. So when other phenomena “out there” occurs, it’s not just something we “see”, but it’s also something we are, e.g. a bird flying in the distance isn’t just “out there”, it’s rendered fully by our own minds, alongside the other processes of our brains and within the same conscious space that contains all other aspects of experience, both internal and “external”. I’m not saying I believe the sun is conscious, but for sake of argument, let’s say it is. Whatever it means for the sun to be conscious, one could theoretically conclude that to whatever degree our thinking minds cause physically measurable phenomena, and to whatever extent that phenomena is “detectable” by or interacts with other conscious entities, some form of “communication” could occur. But since we don’t know what consciousness is, and whether it is truly an emergent property or as some on the fringes believe, a more fundamental property of the universe, the term “consciousness field” seems mostly meaningless outside of our own first-hand subjective experience of being conscious of the world around us.