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If this wasn't Facebook it wouldn't even be news.

by cm2012 3y ago

soraminazuki 3y ago
I hope you’re being sarcastic? Or is that actually your stance on people’s privacy rights?
- kazinator 3y ago
  Rather, it seems like cynicism about the media, than a stance on rights.
- rvba 3y ago
  Lots of comments here look like some sort of astroturfing made by a PR agency
  - robocat 3y ago
    "Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents, and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data." - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - choppaface 3y ago
      The root comment is literally a Facebook employee who is intentionally trying to change the narrative. An employee of a company that has been fined billions for privacy breaches, that was responsible for literal voter suppression https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/they-were-planning-on-stealing-election-explosive-new-tapes-reveal-cambridg/ https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/t... etc etc HN "guidelines" say "Please don't post shallow dismissals" -- Don't allow FANG to astroturf these forums.
      - saagarjha 3y ago
        Your concern is exactly what the guidelines are talking about.
      - valicord 3y ago
        Are you suggesting that people working at companies you don't like should be banned from HN simply because of who their employer is, or that they should not be allowed to reveal conflict of interest when discussing topics related to their employer?
        choppaface 3y ago
        Not at all. I’m saying it should be supported to meet any employee’s bias with thorough skepticism.
  - cm2012 3y ago
    I've been on HN since 2007 man.
- rezonant 3y ago
  Boiling it down here... some users hit the "Yes" button when Facebook asked them if it was OK to allow Netflix to access their DMs for a feature that allowed you to chat (bidirectionally) with your friends inside the Netflix app. That's a privacy violation?
  - deleted 3y ago
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- AnotherGoodName 3y ago
  Google docs literally has the exact same feature and we're not even talking about it. Using the exact same OAuth framework as here you can grant Netflix and Spotify the right to read everything and all comments in your Google Docs. You can even grant them the right to read all your emails in Gmail! In all seriousness i believe anyone providing oauth should just shut it down at this point, Cambridge Analytica was entirely users granting a third party oauth access to read their friends lists with an explicit permission dialog and all and it was a scandal that led to massive fines. The world decided that oauth access is not ok even with the dialogs prompting to allow third party access and at this point we as developers should listen and take it away. Google currently flys under the radar with the exact same access that led to cambridge analytica but they should probably just shut it down unless they want to run the risk of similar court cases.
  - tety 3y ago
    In order to write something that reads user emails in Google APIs you have to go through multiple levels of hell, so I don't think that's a fair comparison
    - AnotherGoodName 3y ago
      It seems you have to do that here too though. In the end you have to deal with the headline the media can write about it. If Netflix and Spotify went through the vetting process for the purposes of enabling an in-app email client the media could write pretty much the same headline.
      - tety 3y ago
        Google has strict licensing for what you can do with such data (almost nothing) and you have to go through an extreme vetting process However, this won't generate the same headline because any company can go through it, and it isn't some API sold for some special privileged company. Also the user knows it is sharing their mails (not sure if that's the case with facebook)

If this wasn't Facebook it wouldn't even be news.

by cm2012 3y ago

If this wasn't Facebook it wouldn't even be news.

soraminazuki 3y ago

I hope you’re being sarcastic? Or is that actually your stance on people’s privacy rights?

kazinator 3y ago
Rather, it seems like cynicism about the media, than a stance on rights.
rvba 3y ago
Lots of comments here look like some sort of astroturfing made by a PR agency
- robocat 3y ago
  "Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents, and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data." - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - choppaface 3y ago
    The root comment is literally a Facebook employee who is intentionally trying to change the narrative. An employee of a company that has been fined billions for privacy breaches, that was responsible for literal voter suppression https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/they-were-planning-on-stealing-election-explosive-new-tapes-reveal-cambridg/ https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/t... etc etc HN "guidelines" say "Please don't post shallow dismissals" -- Don't allow FANG to astroturf these forums.
    - saagarjha 3y ago
      Your concern is exactly what the guidelines are talking about.
    - valicord 3y ago
      Are you suggesting that people working at companies you don't like should be banned from HN simply because of who their employer is, or that they should not be allowed to reveal conflict of interest when discussing topics related to their employer?
      - choppaface 3y ago
        Not at all. I’m saying it should be supported to meet any employee’s bias with thorough skepticism.
- cm2012 3y ago
  I've been on HN since 2007 man.
rezonant 3y ago
Boiling it down here... some users hit the "Yes" button when Facebook asked them if it was OK to allow Netflix to access their DMs for a feature that allowed you to chat (bidirectionally) with your friends inside the Netflix app. That's a privacy violation?
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
AnotherGoodName 3y ago
Google docs literally has the exact same feature and we're not even talking about it. Using the exact same OAuth framework as here you can grant Netflix and Spotify the right to read everything and all comments in your Google Docs. You can even grant them the right to read all your emails in Gmail! In all seriousness i believe anyone providing oauth should just shut it down at this point, Cambridge Analytica was entirely users granting a third party oauth access to read their friends lists with an explicit permission dialog and all and it was a scandal that led to massive fines. The world decided that oauth access is not ok even with the dialogs prompting to allow third party access and at this point we as developers should listen and take it away. Google currently flys under the radar with the exact same access that led to cambridge analytica but they should probably just shut it down unless they want to run the risk of similar court cases.
- tety 3y ago
  In order to write something that reads user emails in Google APIs you have to go through multiple levels of hell, so I don't think that's a fair comparison
  - AnotherGoodName 3y ago
    It seems you have to do that here too though. In the end you have to deal with the headline the media can write about it. If Netflix and Spotify went through the vetting process for the purposes of enabling an in-app email client the media could write pretty much the same headline.
    - tety 3y ago
      Google has strict licensing for what you can do with such data (almost nothing) and you have to go through an extreme vetting process However, this won't generate the same headline because any company can go through it, and it isn't some API sold for some special privileged company. Also the user knows it is sharing their mails (not sure if that's the case with facebook)