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> Painting an entire machine, instead of just the panels that need it, takes time and wastes energy. As someone who lives in a location that heavily salts the
by SECProto 3y ago
> Painting an entire machine, instead of just the panels that need it, takes time and wastes energy.
As someone who lives in a location that heavily salts the roads, I am not looking forward to a car where a designer living with california weather decides which few parts of the body "need" it... The same causes issues with model 3 door handles that get coated in ice and need to be melted before they can be opened (ice storms usually happens a couple times a winter)
- mattmaroon 3y agoThe door handles are fucking awful in the snow. At least heat them so they melt the ice.
- hooverd 3y agoSay what you will about BYD but at least they have door handles.
- mattmaroon 3y agoI really don’t understand it. How many MPGe could door handles subtract? 1? Is it even that much? Is it aesthetics? I don’t think theirs look any better. And they feel flimsy AF. They give you nothing to hold onto when manipulating the door. Even if they didn’t freeze, I just don’t like them. So we’re going to make this more complicated, more failure prone thing that looks and feels worse for no real benefit? The worst part is that other EVs are adopting it.
- Solvency 3y agoIt's Elon. Do you really have to ask? It's the most braindead, arrogant, Elon Musky possible decision.
- pandaman 3y agoIt's not Elon. Many other EVs have the similar handle-less design. E.g. Mustang Mach, Hyundai Ioniq/ Kia EV, Lucid Air, etc.
- jen20 3y agoRecessed door handles to avoid MPG impact was a solved problem by the Fiat Panda, at least (probably earlier!) - the only rationale is cost, or meme copying.
- dzhiurgis 3y agoIt all compounds. Lower mpge > increased range > less battery weight > increased range + lower cost.
- dghlsakjg 3y agoSo why are the tires super wide on Teslas, with consequently high rolling resistance? The door handle is a gimmick, afaict, with so much other low hanging fruit in the design.
- dzhiurgis 3y agoNo one wants an anaemic Tesla either.
- SECProto 3y agoI would much rather drive an anemic Tesla - skinny cheaper tires, lighter so easier to change myself.
- etempleton 3y agoBecause the cars are heavy and with have high torque. They need the extra grip to have those insanely low 0-60 times.
- wyre 3y ago>1? My hunch says less than that. Door handles have more physical moving parts which are going to increase costs and we know Tesla loves to do anything they can to keep those down.
- SECProto 3y agoI haven't had one so I can't directly weigh in, but up here, winter = physically pulling hard on door handles to get the seals to unstick. I can't imagine something like cybertruck (no handles at all) working in real winter. I'm hopeful for Tesla to release their 25k car, and I'm really hoping for my car to last a couple years longer so I can get something from a different manufacturer that realizes some design standards have good reasons behind them.
- dghlsakjg 3y agoThe good news is that the panel gaps are big enough that you can get your hands in there to pull the door open!
- vel0city 3y agoI've got a Mach E, it has similar "push the button and the door pops open a bit" style of opening. I had it outside during a sleet storm where it got a good layer of ice on it. I just pressed the button on the door and it managed to break the ice and open just fine. The door openers can have a good bit of force behind them.
- hangonhn 3y agoThis exact thought crossed my mind when my friend took their Tesla Model X to Lake Tahoe. As soon as the gull wing doors opened all the snow from the top of the car fell straight down into the cabin. Oh right. Tesla Model X was probably designed by someone who don't regularly experience snow...
- dzhiurgis 3y agoThey don’t handle sun very well either
- Eddy_Viscosity2 3y agoHonda had this problem many years ago where the bodies just rusted out. They fixed this by changing their entire process to apply a coating everywhere. Lessons learned in the past ignored in the present. Elon is probably only thinking about the use-case on Mars where a lack of atmospheric oxygen will mean corrosion isn't such a major factor.
- gagaJo 3y agoCharitable take on Elon’s powers of foresight. Not so sure he thinks much further out than tomorrow.
- throwaway11460 3y agoIf he can get so far while thinking only about tomorrow, he's the absolute genius. Can't even imagine what he could do if he thought a week in advance.
- Terr_ 3y agoAh, but are we talking about how far in advance someone plans for their own benefit, or is it how far in advance they think of the needs of customers and stakeholders? Those two values are frequently different. I think we're on something like year 7 of Musk promising perfect self-driving cars in one more year.
- throwaway11460 3y agoWe are also in year 9 of self-landing rocket boosters launching 100 times a year reused 10+ times, on the other hand. Or that's the work of SpaceX team and not Musk? So when it fails it's Musk and Musk only, but when it succeeds it's not Musk at all?
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- denimnerd42 3y agosurely they are still e-coating these vehicles
- thebruce87m 3y agoThe app has a button to open the drivers door. Yes, still stupid not to have normal handles or a way to open the passenger doors, but not as bad as the TikTok videos make out.
- FireBeyond 3y ago"To open your car door in inclement weather, go to your phone, remove your gloves, open the Tesla app, bring down your mask for FaceID, and then swipe a couple of times and hit open driver door." > but not as bad as the TikTok videos make out I think we have different bars for "not as bad".
- thebruce87m 3y ago> I think we have different bars for "not as bad" We probably don’t, but you’ve gone out of your way to misrepresent my comment so I don’t know where to go from here. Edit: and not the first time you’ve done this to one of my comments in recent times either. Here is the exact video I meant. They don’t seem to be wearing gloves either. https://www.tiktok.com/@ddcustomz/video/7068406130653170991?lang=en https://www.tiktok.com/@ddcustomz/video/7068406130653170991?...
- SECProto 3y agoI'm even more against apps than I am against motorized door openers.
- RecycledEle 3y agoGetting batches of paint right so every single blue pannel looks like every other blue pannel will NOT go the way they think it will. There will be legendary color mismatches, and it will be hilarious.