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Canada Sought to Be a Hydro Superpower. Now Its Rivers and Lakes Are Drying Up
- joecool1029 3y agohttps://archive.is/ILxWB https://archive.is/ILxWB
- swingingFlyFish 3y agoKing.
- bitwize 3y agoThe three Ps are the only thing that can save the human habitat: permaculture, powerdown, population control.
- tucnak 3y agoI like this joke intuitively but perhaps I'm missing the reference?
- inhumantsar 3y agomight not be a joke in there. degrowth is a thing a lot of people believe in unironically.
- voisin 3y agoWhat’s ironic about not believing in perpetual growth with finite resources?
- throwaway11460 3y agoSaying it in a situation where we don't utilize even 1% of available resources. Much closer to 0.0001% than 1%. Also saying it in a situation where we don't even really attempt to be efficient. Now I'm all for efficiency - but that's not what the degrowth people are saying.
- throwaway4220 3y agohttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Overshoot_Day https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Overshoot_Day Despite some flaws with the above it is not crazy to believe we have finite resources. Your numbers are sadly orders of magnitude too low.
- throwaway11460 3y agoThat's a complete pseudoscientific quack, sorry to be so blunt. Even if it wasn't, it doesn't meaningfully invalidate anything I said.
- throwaway4220 3y agohttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3818166/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3818166/ Let’s see your source for such a low percentage. I can tell you know we don’t have enough lithium for 1e6x more electric cars then we have now. Now maybe you’re imagining a future where we can replicate things so we do have the raw materials ie atoms? I’d agree with that
- novariation 3y agoThe number of people who've read LTG and think the world3 ressource usage predictions are accurate is crazy. The authors themselves say it's not accurate and overly simplistic. By very far the threat to humanity is global warming, not resource depletion. A lot of degrowthers want resource depletion to be very important because that's the only way what they call "green capitalism" doesn't work, but that's not fact-based. Sadly for them basic pigouvian taxes + subsidies to innovation + reasonable behavioral changes (due to taxation) will mitigate most of the problem. That's completely compatible with what they despise as "green growth".
- swingingFlyFish 3y ago"By very far the threat to humanity is global warming, not resource depletion." One begets the other...from either direction.
- btbuildem 3y agoBecause unchecked, endless growth in a finite environment is something we can believe in unironically, right?
- throwaway11460 3y agoThere's no finite environment in an infinite universe. We are not anywhere near utilizing even 1% of what's available on this planet.
- iwontberude 3y agoAccording to dipshits like Jeff Bezos they want trillions of us living in space on stations like house cats.
- throwaway11460 3y agoI want to live on a space station.
- kwere 3y agogrowth can also mean efficiency increase, not only "expansion". I rember that Japan is the most efficient society in its use of inputs at around 20%. there is enormous space for growth
- mmphosis 3y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public%E2%80%93private_partnership https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public%E2%80%93private_partner...
- ImJamal 3y agoHow would you recommend implementing population control?
- snakeyjake 3y agoWhat conspiracy nutjobs think: SECRET STERILIZATIONS THROUGH VACCINES, ABORTING THE UNDESIRABLE, AND GENOCIDE What normal people think: family planning, greater economic opportunities that do not require large pools of familial labor to achieve, better healthcare leading to fewer dead babies thus a lower incentive to have large families.
- metalcrow 3y agoI don't think calling China's actions for the past 4 decades to achieve this exact goal a "conspiracy" is reasonable.
- snakeyjake 3y agoYes, because China is the model to follow. Why didn't you bring up the Rwandan Genocide? Much faster results!
- ImJamal 3y agoThere are a fair number of people who have no issue with what China did and as such it is fair to ask somebody advocating for the same policy if they support China's method.
- btbuildem 3y agoEmancipation of women and free education for girls worldwide. Raising the standard of living in poor countries. This alone would massively impact population growth.
- swingingFlyFish 3y ago"Emancipation of women and free education for girls worldwide. Raising the standard of living in poor countries." Yup, let's push our ideology on other countries because the west is white is right. We won't go into the impact certain gender equivalent movements have had on the world.
- novariation 3y agoI had no idea degrowth was a thing on hackernews
- doctorwho42 3y agoWell shit, this is a bit concerning for a reason not discussed: Canada is the world's largest producer of tritium, one of the crucial fuels for fusion. They do this through their heavy water reactor fleet. Without it, it will be additionally difficult to launch fusion power into a viable power system... We will probably need to invest in breeder reactors once Q>3 is achieved.
- AtlasBarfed 3y agoViable fusion will need breeder reactors for tritium? "Old fission" isn't technically a viable economic power system anymore, at least in its current forms. Solar/Wind are so cheap, and still getting percentages cheaper each year, that it gets harder and harder for other forms of power to compete. Even combined cycle natural gas turbine with downstream heat recapture to exceed Carnot efficiency limits can't compete with wind/solar. I get what you mean about viable fusion in just sustaining a energy-positive reaction. But even if that is achieved, fusion will likely not be economically viable outside of industrial high-heat constant-load applications (which there are a lot of, fission should be able to handle those but the waste and proliferation concerns are a real barrier). If there are breeder reactors needed for fuel ... forget viable grid fusion power.
- swingingFlyFish 3y agoWhat's interesting is this could make areas like AI - that are already dirty and environmentally harmful - even worse. If we don't have a clean source of energy to power the data centers. Concerning. I think I read or heard somewhere awhile ago that water will be the new oil of the future, and wars will be fought over it.