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The “No one needs to steal to eat” mindset is a “deep, deep sickness”? My brother in Christ what kind of backwards world do you live in? Where on this planet is

The “No one needs to steal to eat” mindset is a “deep, deep sickness”? My brother in Christ what kind of backwards world do you live in? Where on this planet is it acceptable to steal, especially in a mugging situation that implies physical confrontation and the threat of violence? I can’t tell if you’re trolling, you’re actually asserting that you live in a fairytale defending something like Robin Hood. Wages have never been tethered to productivity, arbitrage has existed since before there was even a currency. Healthcare and housing has always been and always will be a privilege, your human rights only extend so far as they do not infringe upon someone else’s human rights. Doctors and construction workers cannot be compelled against their will to do work, neither can the collective taxpayer.

dartharva 3y ago
I think the problem here is they are imagining extreme situations where you genuinely don't have any opportunity to survive without it. Such situations could exist, like in Mao's Red August and a score of other such historical tragedies. But what the commenter is not understanding is that "Morals" matter jack shit in such a situation. "Morals" are a product of civilization, if you are not being treated as human by your society you have no obligation to act as human either.
- kelnos 3y ago
  > But what the commenter is not understanding is that "Morals" matter jack shit in such a situation. "Morals" are a product of civilization, if you are not being treated as human by your society you have no obligation to act as human either. My gut feeling here is that this isn't even a moral issue at all, but I've been having trouble articulating that point. You absolutely hit the nail on the head with this.
kelnos 3y ago
> The “No one needs to steal to eat” mindset is a “deep, deep sickness”? My brother in Christ what kind of backwards world do you live in? This one! Our world is pretty backwards! If you can't see that, you must live a privileged, sheltered life. Do you think a world where medical bills can bankrupt people is not a backwards world? Do you think a world with homeless people is not a backwards world? Do you think a world where we incarcerate people by the millions for smoking a plant is not a backwards world? And these are just a small sampling of things that happen in the US. If you truly don't believe we live in a backwards world, I don't know what to say. You're just so completely out of touch with the reality we live in that there's no way to have a productive discussion.

dartharva 3y ago

I think the problem here is they are imagining extreme situations where you genuinely don't have any opportunity to survive without it. Such situations could exist, like in Mao's Red August and a score of other such historical tragedies. But what the commenter is not understanding is that "Morals" matter jack shit in such a situation. "Morals" are a product of civilization, if you are not being treated as human by your society you have no obligation to act as human either.

kelnos 3y ago
> But what the commenter is not understanding is that "Morals" matter jack shit in such a situation. "Morals" are a product of civilization, if you are not being treated as human by your society you have no obligation to act as human either. My gut feeling here is that this isn't even a moral issue at all, but I've been having trouble articulating that point. You absolutely hit the nail on the head with this.

kelnos 3y ago

> The “No one needs to steal to eat” mindset is a “deep, deep sickness”? My brother in Christ what kind of backwards world do you live in? This one! Our world is pretty backwards! If you can't see that, you must live a privileged, sheltered life. Do you think a world where medical bills can bankrupt people is not a backwards world? Do you think a world with homeless people is not a backwards world? Do you think a world where we incarcerate people by the millions for smoking a plant is not a backwards world? And these are just a small sampling of things that happen in the US. If you truly don't believe we live in a backwards world, I don't know what to say. You're just so completely out of touch with the reality we live in that there's no way to have a productive discussion.