I think that might be the cause of some of the confusion around these terms. They're terms that use a context of those words only native English speakers would

I think that might be the cause of some of the confusion around these terms. They're terms that use a context of those words only native English speakers would be familiar with. If you're not a native English speaker or even maybe just younger and not familiar that specific context of those terms I can see how the terminology may be confusing and counterintuitive at first.