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I think there must be nuances here that are not being made clear. What is the level below which one is no longer literate (it seems to be 5th grade level, whic

I think there must be nuances here that are not being made clear. What is the level below which one is no longer literate (it seems to be 5th grade level, which I think is 10 yo?) Is this English (as opposed to perhaps a higher literacy rate in other languages (ie literacy is high, just America has a lot more non native speakers than we expect) Just confused

denimnerd42 3y ago
think this says it all: The state with the lowest adult literacy rate was California. Must be immigration.. In fact. I had a really shocking encounter at my house with some young men (maybe as young as 16, hard to tell) who were digging a ditch for my sewer line as subcontractors to my plumber. I was trying to communicate with them in Spanish but I was having a hard time so I pulled out google translate. I realized they couldn't read Spanish. I used the text to speech in the app but that was quite a sobering realization just how little education they had experienced.
- 486sx33 3y ago
  I’m not from California but why did you not report this immediately? Child labor is very bad and having it occur on your property is even worse!
  - c0wb0yc0d3r 3y ago
    A quick search indicates that 14-18 year olds can obtain a permit to work in the state of California.
- TMWNN 3y ago
  >I realized they couldn't read Spanish. They're from indigenous tribes from the highlands in Mexico and further south. We are allowing in illegal aliens who aren't even literate in their home countries' dominant language.
  - quickslowdown 3y ago
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    - PKop 3y ago
      Why would that be a good thing to do though?
      - JojoFatsani 3y ago
        It doesn’t threaten you. They aren’t stealing your white collar job, but there are manual jobs that do still need to be done. These young folks deserve a better environment to grow up in and raise their families over time. My grandfather came over from Italy literally with no shoes on.
        PKop 3y ago
        So all I hear is selling the idea in terms of how it benefits the people coming here. No, I think our children "deserve" to be passed on a country that is the best it can be in terms of wealth, power, quality of life, cost of living, political stability, low crime, high literacy etc. Turning the country from a 96% literacy rate to 79%, increasing crime, and welfare costs, and increasing tribal politics is a dereliction of duty to them.
        JojoFatsani 3y ago
        I think there is enough opportunity in this country for my kids, your kids, and immigrant kids. We’ve done this before, the only difference this wave is skin color.
  - nunez 3y ago
    Perhaps those people risk their lives to cross our border _so that_ they can learn how to read. Also, you interact with and work amongst many, many, many more undocumented people than you think you do. Be kind.
darth_avocado 3y ago
> 54% of adults have a literacy below a 6th-grade level Plenty of comments will call out demographic changes and immigration, but if 54% of adults don't have literacy rates of 6th grade, then there are some serious other things to talk about.

denimnerd42 3y ago

think this says it all: The state with the lowest adult literacy rate was California. Must be immigration.. In fact. I had a really shocking encounter at my house with some young men (maybe as young as 16, hard to tell) who were digging a ditch for my sewer line as subcontractors to my plumber. I was trying to communicate with them in Spanish but I was having a hard time so I pulled out google translate. I realized they couldn't read Spanish. I used the text to speech in the app but that was quite a sobering realization just how little education they had experienced.

486sx33 3y ago
I’m not from California but why did you not report this immediately? Child labor is very bad and having it occur on your property is even worse!
- c0wb0yc0d3r 3y ago
  A quick search indicates that 14-18 year olds can obtain a permit to work in the state of California.
TMWNN 3y ago
>I realized they couldn't read Spanish. They're from indigenous tribes from the highlands in Mexico and further south. We are allowing in illegal aliens who aren't even literate in their home countries' dominant language.
- quickslowdown 3y ago
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  - PKop 3y ago
    Why would that be a good thing to do though?
    - JojoFatsani 3y ago
      It doesn’t threaten you. They aren’t stealing your white collar job, but there are manual jobs that do still need to be done. These young folks deserve a better environment to grow up in and raise their families over time. My grandfather came over from Italy literally with no shoes on.
      - PKop 3y ago
        So all I hear is selling the idea in terms of how it benefits the people coming here. No, I think our children "deserve" to be passed on a country that is the best it can be in terms of wealth, power, quality of life, cost of living, political stability, low crime, high literacy etc. Turning the country from a 96% literacy rate to 79%, increasing crime, and welfare costs, and increasing tribal politics is a dereliction of duty to them.
        JojoFatsani 3y ago
        I think there is enough opportunity in this country for my kids, your kids, and immigrant kids. We’ve done this before, the only difference this wave is skin color.
- nunez 3y ago
  Perhaps those people risk their lives to cross our border _so that_ they can learn how to read. Also, you interact with and work amongst many, many, many more undocumented people than you think you do. Be kind.

darth_avocado 3y ago

> 54% of adults have a literacy below a 6th-grade level Plenty of comments will call out demographic changes and immigration, but if 54% of adults don't have literacy rates of 6th grade, then there are some serious other things to talk about.