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So... it was a legalese

willio58 3y ago
We need regulation around this sooo bad. Nobody reads TOS, or at least 99.9999% of people don't because it's simply too much. It's unreasonable to expect people to read these long documents and understand what they mean. We need requirements of high-level overviews in very plain language. Slimming this stuff down and removing BS lawyer fluff is the only way in my eyes.
- Terr_ 3y ago
  In a way it's a failure of precedent rather than regulation, since ideally the judge would throw some of these contracts out the same as if they had special clauses in microscopic font.
- SkyPuncher 3y ago
  I agree. It honestly feels like these could be boiled down to about 30 “standard” options.
- squarefoot 3y ago
  > Nobody reads TOS, or at least 99.9999% of people don't because it's simply too much. Huge opportunity for a service using AI that does, then reports on a public site businesses using shady language or hiding traps, possibly assigning a score.
  - ahaseeb 3y ago
    Yeah - Probably just explaining any contract on a higher level and if there'a red flag etc
- ipaddr 3y ago
  Email them your own TOS. If they continue service after notification they can be held to those TOS.
YeBanKo 3y ago
From their statement: "We recognize that the average user doesn't have a law degree" or in other words "you are too stupid" to understand words. Isn't it a bit of catch-22, we put an agreement for you to sign and accept[understanding is implied], but we also understand that you are too stupid to understand it. Also how is perpetual irrevocable links to commercialize your content in any way they want is required for providing the service? You hereby grant to Vultr a non-exclusive, *perpetual*, *irrevocable*, royalty-free, fully paid-up, worldwide license (including the right to sublicense through multiple tiers) to use, reproduce, process, adapt, publicly perform, publicly display, modify, *prepare derivative works*, publish, transmit and distribute each of your User Content, or any portion thereof, in any form, medium or distribution method now known or hereafter existing, known or developed, and *otherwise use and commercialize the User Content in any way that Vultr deems appropriate*, without any further consent, notice and/or compensation to you or to any third parties, *for purposes of providing the Services to you*._
- infamouscow 3y ago
  Their statement is a utter nonsense and should be treated with as much respect as verbal diarrhea. They're running a business, and in business these kinds of asinine decisions hurt the bottom line. Fuck them. Move to a different VPS host. I won't be doing business with them ever again, nor do I have the time to re-read their ToS at some point in the future.
  - YeBanKo 3y ago
    Ah, these pop ups to accept new T&S can be obnoxious. You even may not be able to access control panel without accepting it.
  - inhumantsar 3y ago
    was reading the comments before the article again. never heard of Vultr and assumed by the terms that it was some kind of niche social network. those terms are basically identical to Reddit's so it would make sense. but a *VPS host*? that's absurd. it's like someone there asked ChatGPT for a new TOS without telling it what the TOS would be for.

We need regulation around this sooo bad. Nobody reads TOS, or at least 99.9999% of people don't because it's simply too much. It's unreasonable to expect people to read these long documents and understand what they mean. We need requirements of high-level overviews in very plain language. Slimming this stuff down and removing BS lawyer fluff is the only way in my eyes.

Terr_ 3y ago
In a way it's a failure of precedent rather than regulation, since ideally the judge would throw some of these contracts out the same as if they had special clauses in microscopic font.
SkyPuncher 3y ago
I agree. It honestly feels like these could be boiled down to about 30 “standard” options.
squarefoot 3y ago
> Nobody reads TOS, or at least 99.9999% of people don't because it's simply too much. Huge opportunity for a service using AI that does, then reports on a public site businesses using shady language or hiding traps, possibly assigning a score.
- ahaseeb 3y ago
  Yeah - Probably just explaining any contract on a higher level and if there'a red flag etc
ipaddr 3y ago
Email them your own TOS. If they continue service after notification they can be held to those TOS.

YeBanKo 3y ago

From their statement: "We recognize that the average user doesn't have a law degree" or in other words "you are too stupid" to understand words. Isn't it a bit of catch-22, we put an agreement for you to sign and accept[understanding is implied], but we also understand that you are too stupid to understand it. Also how is perpetual irrevocable links to commercialize your content in any way they want is required for providing the service? You hereby grant to Vultr a non-exclusive, *perpetual*, *irrevocable*, royalty-free, fully paid-up, worldwide license (including the right to sublicense through multiple tiers) to use, reproduce, process, adapt, publicly perform, publicly display, modify, *prepare derivative works*, publish, transmit and distribute each of your User Content, or any portion thereof, in any form, medium or distribution method now known or hereafter existing, known or developed, and *otherwise use and commercialize the User Content in any way that Vultr deems appropriate*, without any further consent, notice and/or compensation to you or to any third parties, *for purposes of providing the Services to you*._

infamouscow 3y ago
Their statement is a utter nonsense and should be treated with as much respect as verbal diarrhea. They're running a business, and in business these kinds of asinine decisions hurt the bottom line. Fuck them. Move to a different VPS host. I won't be doing business with them ever again, nor do I have the time to re-read their ToS at some point in the future.
- YeBanKo 3y ago
  Ah, these pop ups to accept new T&S can be obnoxious. You even may not be able to access control panel without accepting it.
- inhumantsar 3y ago
  was reading the comments before the article again. never heard of Vultr and assumed by the terms that it was some kind of niche social network. those terms are basically identical to Reddit's so it would make sense. but a *VPS host*? that's absurd. it's like someone there asked ChatGPT for a new TOS without telling it what the TOS would be for.