6 ms·

> Surely this must be a factor in people in expensive western markets? Yea, this was/is my main fear with remote work. It will "even out" the pay ranges across

> Surely this must be a factor in people in expensive western markets? Yea, this was/is my main fear with remote work. It will "even out" the pay ranges across the globe...not perfectly (due to language, timezone, regulatory, and general cultural barriers), but the imbalance will be less severe as western salaries come down and int'l salaries rise from the new demand. I expect this to happen over the course of 5-10 years, not overnight, but seems like the early signs are already there now that Covid is 4 years old.

fragebogen 3y ago
On the other hand, I read stories online where people claim that it's hard/impossible to get promoted as remote employees. I wonder if these constraints will loosen as well.
- oldpersonintx 3y ago
  [dead]
- usrusr 3y ago
  Depends on how many non-remote are left. Certainly the locals won't be promoted if they haven't been hired in the first place, because the position was filed by a remote. I guess we'll see less developers getting promoted in total, with more of the higher rank positions filled from lines that aren't as remote as development.
- rco8786 3y ago
  There will be a lot of churn along the way, companies will all try various things and find strategies that work for them. I just think, on average, salaries for "western" software engineers will stay flat or trend down over the next decade.
ghaff 3y ago
Even within the US and maybe western Europe (though that works better from the east coast). If you want to live in San Francisco (or Aspen), good for you. But there's very little reason for me to pay you a premium to do so if I'm a remote company. (There's some. I might not be able to hire people in California otherwise. But my observation is that's actually the unstated process at a lot of companies these days.)

6 ms·

> Surely this must be a factor in people in expensive western markets? Yea, this was/is my main fear with remote work. It will "even out" the pay ranges across

by rco8786 3y ago

fragebogen 3y ago
On the other hand, I read stories online where people claim that it's hard/impossible to get promoted as remote employees. I wonder if these constraints will loosen as well.
- oldpersonintx 3y ago
  [dead]
- usrusr 3y ago
  Depends on how many non-remote are left. Certainly the locals won't be promoted if they haven't been hired in the first place, because the position was filed by a remote. I guess we'll see less developers getting promoted in total, with more of the higher rank positions filled from lines that aren't as remote as development.
- rco8786 3y ago
  There will be a lot of churn along the way, companies will all try various things and find strategies that work for them. I just think, on average, salaries for "western" software engineers will stay flat or trend down over the next decade.
ghaff 3y ago
Even within the US and maybe western Europe (though that works better from the east coast). If you want to live in San Francisco (or Aspen), good for you. But there's very little reason for me to pay you a premium to do so if I'm a remote company. (There's some. I might not be able to hire people in California otherwise. But my observation is that's actually the unstated process at a lot of companies these days.)