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> Once you start taking meds you develop dependence and so your definitely need them. In this generality, this statement is plain false folk tale. It certainl

> Once you start taking meds you develop dependence and so your definitely need them. In this generality, this statement is plain false folk tale. It certainly applies for some conditions and treatments, but without a study to back it up you should not be making this statement in regards to ADHD and its medications. > If you tried everything and nothing worked, then go for the meds, and take on the risks and side-effects. But no one does this. They get diagnosed and then straight on meds for the rest of their life. This is equally untrue. I can't make statements about other places and health care systems, but where I live they throw the kitchen sink at you for about a year or two before they progressively walk you up to the more "extreme" medication if nothing else helped.

eqvinox 3y ago
> If you tried everything and nothing worked, then go for the meds, and take on the risks and side-effects. By the way — you say this with some nonchalance. Those two years of "tried everything and nothing worked" cost me my university degree.
- StefanBatory 3y ago
  Someone without ADHD will never understand this, I think.
- Swordfish12345 3y ago
  May I ask: when you say you "tried everything and nothing worked"...was this before you knew about the existence of ADHD? The tragedy I find is that people first discover ADHD and then go straight on meds. They don't use this new realization and understanding of their condition to try to solve it without medication. And once you begin medication, your brain starts to change, and you really can't isolate whether a behavioral change is actually working independent of your medicated state. So begins a long journey of decreasing efficacy of the meds to the point that you will end up worse than where you started. Also curious what you did try? What was the longest time you disconnected from the internet and social media? How much did you exercise?
  - eqvinox 3y ago
    > May I ask: when you say you "tried everything and nothing worked"...was this before you knew about the existence of ADHD? No, this was after I knew about the existence of ADHD, and from the structure of the comments this should have been obvious to you. I was referencing my previous comment: "they throw the kitchen sink at you for about a year or two before they progressively walk you up to the more "extreme" medication if nothing else helped." It is quite clear that this refers to the early treatment phase after diagnosis. > Also curious what you did try? What was the longest time you disconnected from the internet and social media? How much did you exercise? To answer all 3 questions: enough, enough, and enough.
    - Swordfish12345 3y ago
      How do you know it was enough?
      - eqvinox 3y ago
        Wow, dude, just wow.
        Woshiwuja 3y ago
        He doesnt understand. For him its just "quit tiktok lul". kinda embarassing
        eqvinox 3y ago
        Anything not matching the world view is clearly somehow wrong. Very impressive reality distortion field there. Except it's scary because it's the same mechanic that also makes people vote for populists that throw "great" rhetoric but act against their interests. Funny thing is that when I got my ADHD diagnosis, it was, for adults, very "fresh" conceptually. Which means everything got reviewed, retested, rechecked multiple times. Two professors and several doctors were involved. I'm pretty sure even medical professionals would find it hard to poke holes in either my diagnosis or treatment plan. I even got to be a "demo patient" for medical students multiple times, for them to learn. But, they read a bunch of papers (without training in the field), so clearly they know better, eh?
Swordfish12345 3y ago
> dependence https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.ajp.2011.11060940 https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.ajp.2011.1... Your brain adapts. It's pretty obvious. If you give a mouse access to a button that triggers dopamine release, they keep pressing the button until they starve to death. The brain has evolved a system to maintain homeostasis to prevent this happening.
- eqvinox 3y ago
  > https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.ajp.2011.11060940 https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.ajp.2011.1... This paper does not say what you think it does. Please refer to my other comment discussing your sources.

eqvinox 3y ago

> If you tried everything and nothing worked, then go for the meds, and take on the risks and side-effects. By the way — you say this with some nonchalance. Those two years of "tried everything and nothing worked" cost me my university degree.

StefanBatory 3y ago
Someone without ADHD will never understand this, I think.
Swordfish12345 3y ago
May I ask: when you say you "tried everything and nothing worked"...was this before you knew about the existence of ADHD? The tragedy I find is that people first discover ADHD and then go straight on meds. They don't use this new realization and understanding of their condition to try to solve it without medication. And once you begin medication, your brain starts to change, and you really can't isolate whether a behavioral change is actually working independent of your medicated state. So begins a long journey of decreasing efficacy of the meds to the point that you will end up worse than where you started. Also curious what you did try? What was the longest time you disconnected from the internet and social media? How much did you exercise?
- eqvinox 3y ago
  > May I ask: when you say you "tried everything and nothing worked"...was this before you knew about the existence of ADHD? No, this was after I knew about the existence of ADHD, and from the structure of the comments this should have been obvious to you. I was referencing my previous comment: "they throw the kitchen sink at you for about a year or two before they progressively walk you up to the more "extreme" medication if nothing else helped." It is quite clear that this refers to the early treatment phase after diagnosis. > Also curious what you did try? What was the longest time you disconnected from the internet and social media? How much did you exercise? To answer all 3 questions: enough, enough, and enough.
  - Swordfish12345 3y ago
    How do you know it was enough?
    - eqvinox 3y ago
      Wow, dude, just wow.
      - Woshiwuja 3y ago
        He doesnt understand. For him its just "quit tiktok lul". kinda embarassing
        eqvinox 3y ago
        Anything not matching the world view is clearly somehow wrong. Very impressive reality distortion field there. Except it's scary because it's the same mechanic that also makes people vote for populists that throw "great" rhetoric but act against their interests. Funny thing is that when I got my ADHD diagnosis, it was, for adults, very "fresh" conceptually. Which means everything got reviewed, retested, rechecked multiple times. Two professors and several doctors were involved. I'm pretty sure even medical professionals would find it hard to poke holes in either my diagnosis or treatment plan. I even got to be a "demo patient" for medical students multiple times, for them to learn. But, they read a bunch of papers (without training in the field), so clearly they know better, eh?

Swordfish12345 3y ago

> dependence https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.ajp.2011.11060940 https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.ajp.2011.1... Your brain adapts. It's pretty obvious. If you give a mouse access to a button that triggers dopamine release, they keep pressing the button until they starve to death. The brain has evolved a system to maintain homeostasis to prevent this happening.

eqvinox 3y ago
> https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.ajp.2011.11060940 https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.ajp.2011.1... This paper does not say what you think it does. Please refer to my other comment discussing your sources.