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> it will answer human-like, lies/bluff and all. I'm not sure speed running the internet forum experience by using data centers with 10x the energy requiremen

> it will answer human-like, lies/bluff and all. I'm not sure speed running the internet forum experience by using data centers with 10x the energy requirements of traditional ones is a net gain.

__loam 3y ago
Imagine a search engine but there's no context and it's 5x more expensive to run and there's no ad revenue. I think in the long run, LLMs will be packaged with the OS (because only organizations like Microsoft and Apple have the resources to burn on them) and will run on local hardware (the consumer bears the cost of the computation).
MrSkyNet 3y ago
Those data centers are easily converted to green energy. Google already is at 90%. The margin and market motivation to do so is high and those few companies have a lot of money. Nonetheless, we talk about an industry / society change; A change how we will write and operate and talk to computers. I woudl say its worth it
- sgift 3y ago
  > Those data centers are easily converted to green energy. Energy which could be used for other things. I don't say it's bad to use power for AI, but just saying "well, it's green energy anyway" is short-sighted imho. At least as long as there are still any things not yet powered by green energy.
  - MrSkyNet 3y ago
    I do understand what it means to reinvest energy and i do believe its absolutly worth it in this case. The investment required for those data centers will act as stabilization of green energy investment and because known software companies are involved, for a better support on the software side
- namaria 3y ago
  > Those data centers are easily converted to green energy. Energy is fungible. Exploding marginal energy requirements put enormous pressure on the grid tho. In the US several gas burning plants are being planned in the last few months given AI data center growth projections. This will have a definite impact in total emissions and push back any goals of holding on to the current 2C increase in global temperature.
  - MrSkyNet 3y ago
    I disagree. The percentage of datacenters around the globe is very small (like 1%). In contrast this saves us a tremendes amount of co2 due to optimization of logistics, doing your bank business at home, calling someone instead of meeting them etc. Datacenters are in my opinion the biggest net positives for co2, are easy to make green, have the most money behind them (which means faster and better investments) and are ooperated by our leading tech companies, who will use this to push further the industry of green energy. Those datacenters and especially AI energy investments are also the biggest research advantage we have. Optimizing solar energy gains and storage capacity. We need them for simulating/generating new materials, production processies, etc. We need to do a LOT in regards of heating. Heating is critical.
    - namaria 3y ago
      You disagree with the widely publicized fact that several new gas burning plants are being planned for the near future in great part due to high profile plans for AI data centers that use 10x as much energy as traditional ones? Or with the fact that these plants will emit great quantities of CO2 that wouldn't be emitted had these plants not been planned for sustaining the growth in AI?
      - wizzwizz4 3y ago
        Not disagreeing with you, but if you're saying "widely publicized fact", it might be good to provide a source. (Here's one from October 2023: https://www.businessinsider.com/phoenix-expanding-its-natural-gas-plants-to-power-data-centers-2023-10 https://www.businessinsider.com/phoenix-expanding-its-natura...)

> it will answer human-like, lies/bluff and all. I'm not sure speed running the internet forum experience by using data centers with 10x the energy requirements of traditional ones is a net gain.

__loam 3y ago

Imagine a search engine but there's no context and it's 5x more expensive to run and there's no ad revenue. I think in the long run, LLMs will be packaged with the OS (because only organizations like Microsoft and Apple have the resources to burn on them) and will run on local hardware (the consumer bears the cost of the computation).

MrSkyNet 3y ago

Those data centers are easily converted to green energy. Google already is at 90%. The margin and market motivation to do so is high and those few companies have a lot of money. Nonetheless, we talk about an industry / society change; A change how we will write and operate and talk to computers. I woudl say its worth it

sgift 3y ago
> Those data centers are easily converted to green energy. Energy which could be used for other things. I don't say it's bad to use power for AI, but just saying "well, it's green energy anyway" is short-sighted imho. At least as long as there are still any things not yet powered by green energy.
- MrSkyNet 3y ago
  I do understand what it means to reinvest energy and i do believe its absolutly worth it in this case. The investment required for those data centers will act as stabilization of green energy investment and because known software companies are involved, for a better support on the software side
namaria 3y ago
> Those data centers are easily converted to green energy. Energy is fungible. Exploding marginal energy requirements put enormous pressure on the grid tho. In the US several gas burning plants are being planned in the last few months given AI data center growth projections. This will have a definite impact in total emissions and push back any goals of holding on to the current 2C increase in global temperature.
- MrSkyNet 3y ago
  I disagree. The percentage of datacenters around the globe is very small (like 1%). In contrast this saves us a tremendes amount of co2 due to optimization of logistics, doing your bank business at home, calling someone instead of meeting them etc. Datacenters are in my opinion the biggest net positives for co2, are easy to make green, have the most money behind them (which means faster and better investments) and are ooperated by our leading tech companies, who will use this to push further the industry of green energy. Those datacenters and especially AI energy investments are also the biggest research advantage we have. Optimizing solar energy gains and storage capacity. We need them for simulating/generating new materials, production processies, etc. We need to do a LOT in regards of heating. Heating is critical.
  - namaria 3y ago
    You disagree with the widely publicized fact that several new gas burning plants are being planned for the near future in great part due to high profile plans for AI data centers that use 10x as much energy as traditional ones? Or with the fact that these plants will emit great quantities of CO2 that wouldn't be emitted had these plants not been planned for sustaining the growth in AI?
    - wizzwizz4 3y ago
      Not disagreeing with you, but if you're saying "widely publicized fact", it might be good to provide a source. (Here's one from October 2023: https://www.businessinsider.com/phoenix-expanding-its-natural-gas-plants-to-power-data-centers-2023-10 https://www.businessinsider.com/phoenix-expanding-its-natura...)