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Sure, in light cases it might help, but mostly you see news/social media amplifying ableistic "look at <other people with>, they're managing, why aren't you? it

Sure, in light cases it might help, but mostly you see news/social media amplifying ableistic "look at <other people with>, they're managing, why aren't you? it's obviously your lifestyle choices" But talk to any people who actually have ADHD and you'll realize that this doesn't help anyone: ADHD doesn't mean "easily distracted", it means "inability to maintain control over focus", and taking distractions away doesn't make this even marginally less impactful. You might be more likely to come back to a task instead of getting lost in distractions, but it's never gonna be enough for anyone but the lightest cases and misdiagnoses. Just stop trying to decide how people should treat their disabling medical conditions. You've got millions saying "stimulants are the only thing that helped", and yet every time the topic of ADHD comes up, someone goes "hmm but maybe we shouldn't give people stims, and force them to use self-control they don't have to stop having ADHD ??"

StefanBatory 3y ago
If someone had a broken arm you wouldn't tell them to exercise that arm more and that it's fine. Or that back in time people didnt had casts and they were fine. I don't understand why so many people act otherwise when it does come to issues you can't see. I don't have ADHD but I have friends who do. And no it's not a question of willpower they need meds to function. So I'm very sensitive when it comes to people saying it's on them like poster before you somewhat implies. :(
- Swordfish12345 3y ago
  > they need meds to function Once you start taking meds you develop dependence and so your definitely need them. But if there was a simpler environmental cause/solution, now that is out of reach entirely. It would take years for their mind to re-balance. If you tried everything and nothing worked, then go for the meds, and take on the risks and side-effects. But no one does this. They get diagnosed and then straight on meds for the rest of their life.
  - eqvinox 3y ago
    > Once you start taking meds you develop dependence and so your definitely need them. In this generality, this statement is plain false folk tale. It certainly applies for some conditions and treatments, but without a study to back it up you should not be making this statement in regards to ADHD and its medications. > If you tried everything and nothing worked, then go for the meds, and take on the risks and side-effects. But no one does this. They get diagnosed and then straight on meds for the rest of their life. This is equally untrue. I can't make statements about other places and health care systems, but where I live they throw the kitchen sink at you for about a year or two before they progressively walk you up to the more "extreme" medication if nothing else helped.
    - eqvinox 3y ago
      > If you tried everything and nothing worked, then go for the meds, and take on the risks and side-effects. By the way — you say this with some nonchalance. Those two years of "tried everything and nothing worked" cost me my university degree.
      - StefanBatory 3y ago
        Someone without ADHD will never understand this, I think.
      - Swordfish12345 3y ago
        May I ask: when you say you "tried everything and nothing worked"...was this before you knew about the existence of ADHD? The tragedy I find is that people first discover ADHD and then go straight on meds. They don't use this new realization and understanding of their condition to try to solve it without medication. And once you begin medication, your brain starts to change, and you really can't isolate whether a behavioral change is actually working independent of your medicated state. So begins a long journey of decreasing efficacy of the meds to the point that you will end up worse than where you started. Also curious what you did try? What was the longest time you disconnected from the internet and social media? How much did you exercise?
Swordfish12345 3y ago
> mostly you see news/social media amplifying ableistic... It's actually the opposite. It is now practically forbidden to criticize anything related with ADHD. After reading all the literature I concluded there were huge problems with almost every aspect of it. Then you go try to tell people and you are tarred and feathered. Then look at incentives: on one side is: "a citizen concerned that maybe taking stimulant meds is going to cause greater problems" vs "drug companies and psych industry making huge money from increasing lifetime prescriptions of stimulants". The people on the "hang on a minute" side of things are concerned about health and safety of society. They stand to make ZERO money from raising the alarm. On the other side its billions of dollars. > trying to decide how people should treat their disabling medical conditions. Trying to raise awareness of risks. I think people don't understand the risks. They see a smart pill with no side-effects. Do what you like.
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- eqvinox 3y ago
  > After reading all the literature I concluded there were huge problems with almost every aspect of it. Then you go try to tell people and you are tarred and feathered. You should probably cite some of that literature.
  - Swordfish12345 3y ago
    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fsoc.2022.814763/full https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fsoc.2022.81476... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2626918/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2626918/ https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.ajp.2011.11060940 https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.ajp.2011.1... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25066615/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25066615/
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StefanBatory 3y ago

If someone had a broken arm you wouldn't tell them to exercise that arm more and that it's fine. Or that back in time people didnt had casts and they were fine. I don't understand why so many people act otherwise when it does come to issues you can't see. I don't have ADHD but I have friends who do. And no it's not a question of willpower they need meds to function. So I'm very sensitive when it comes to people saying it's on them like poster before you somewhat implies. :(

Swordfish12345 3y ago
> they need meds to function Once you start taking meds you develop dependence and so your definitely need them. But if there was a simpler environmental cause/solution, now that is out of reach entirely. It would take years for their mind to re-balance. If you tried everything and nothing worked, then go for the meds, and take on the risks and side-effects. But no one does this. They get diagnosed and then straight on meds for the rest of their life.
- eqvinox 3y ago
  > Once you start taking meds you develop dependence and so your definitely need them. In this generality, this statement is plain false folk tale. It certainly applies for some conditions and treatments, but without a study to back it up you should not be making this statement in regards to ADHD and its medications. > If you tried everything and nothing worked, then go for the meds, and take on the risks and side-effects. But no one does this. They get diagnosed and then straight on meds for the rest of their life. This is equally untrue. I can't make statements about other places and health care systems, but where I live they throw the kitchen sink at you for about a year or two before they progressively walk you up to the more "extreme" medication if nothing else helped.
  - eqvinox 3y ago
    > If you tried everything and nothing worked, then go for the meds, and take on the risks and side-effects. By the way — you say this with some nonchalance. Those two years of "tried everything and nothing worked" cost me my university degree.
    - StefanBatory 3y ago
      Someone without ADHD will never understand this, I think.
    - Swordfish12345 3y ago
      May I ask: when you say you "tried everything and nothing worked"...was this before you knew about the existence of ADHD? The tragedy I find is that people first discover ADHD and then go straight on meds. They don't use this new realization and understanding of their condition to try to solve it without medication. And once you begin medication, your brain starts to change, and you really can't isolate whether a behavioral change is actually working independent of your medicated state. So begins a long journey of decreasing efficacy of the meds to the point that you will end up worse than where you started. Also curious what you did try? What was the longest time you disconnected from the internet and social media? How much did you exercise?

Swordfish12345 3y ago

> mostly you see news/social media amplifying ableistic... It's actually the opposite. It is now practically forbidden to criticize anything related with ADHD. After reading all the literature I concluded there were huge problems with almost every aspect of it. Then you go try to tell people and you are tarred and feathered. Then look at incentives: on one side is: "a citizen concerned that maybe taking stimulant meds is going to cause greater problems" vs "drug companies and psych industry making huge money from increasing lifetime prescriptions of stimulants". The people on the "hang on a minute" side of things are concerned about health and safety of society. They stand to make ZERO money from raising the alarm. On the other side its billions of dollars. > trying to decide how people should treat their disabling medical conditions. Trying to raise awareness of risks. I think people don't understand the risks. They see a smart pill with no side-effects. Do what you like.

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eqvinox 3y ago
> After reading all the literature I concluded there were huge problems with almost every aspect of it. Then you go try to tell people and you are tarred and feathered. You should probably cite some of that literature.
- Swordfish12345 3y ago
  https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fsoc.2022.814763/full https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fsoc.2022.81476... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2626918/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2626918/ https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.ajp.2011.11060940 https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.ajp.2011.1... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25066615/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25066615/
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