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On the other hand, senior pay expectations are wildly out of orbit because of some exuberant behavior from the FAANGs during COVID. It's been extra annoying be

On the other hand, senior pay expectations are wildly out of orbit because of some exuberant behavior from the FAANGs during COVID. It's been extra annoying because they say the compensation range is fine before the interviews and suddenly their pay expectations are 20%-50% higher than the high end of the range after interviews even when they have no other offers and even if they didn't wow us in the interview.

anonzzzies 3y ago
I guess that depends a little more on location than the junior situation; here (EU), the seniors applying are much more stable salary wise. Much less golden mountains; they just want a job and stability, not dreams and chaos. Most I speak to over 40 want jobs for life, not hop. Raised by inflation yearly and that for the coming 27 or so years until retirement.
- busterarm 3y ago
  Oh for sure it's definitely in the States where everyone has a big head.
  - lotsofpulp 3y ago
    Is it possible everyone has a small pocket outside the States?
    - busterarm 3y ago
      I didn't mean what I said sarcastically. Everyone I know elsewhere in this industry who wants a big salary just comes and gets a job here.
t-writescode 3y ago
Where are you seeing that? A lot of senior roles I'm seeing lately have a salary range of 150k. That used to be the salary of mid-level in my area (PNW)
- busterarm 3y ago
  Not as severe but that's sort of my point. For a brief year or two some companies were offering senior talent insane/unsustainable money and salaries are coming back down. People still think that they're worth the insane money that FAANGs were paying during the lockdowns that they have since mostly laid off. It's fairly normal in NY for senior IC hires to be offered 180k-230k plus some equity. I'm seeing candidates who agree to interview being told this range and then come offer time they won't budge below 280k cash and expect big equity. Sure, Facebook was paying people that two years ago but they are aggressively lowballing people right now and we aren't.

anonzzzies 3y ago

I guess that depends a little more on location than the junior situation; here (EU), the seniors applying are much more stable salary wise. Much less golden mountains; they just want a job and stability, not dreams and chaos. Most I speak to over 40 want jobs for life, not hop. Raised by inflation yearly and that for the coming 27 or so years until retirement.

busterarm 3y ago
Oh for sure it's definitely in the States where everyone has a big head.
- lotsofpulp 3y ago
  Is it possible everyone has a small pocket outside the States?
  - busterarm 3y ago
    I didn't mean what I said sarcastically. Everyone I know elsewhere in this industry who wants a big salary just comes and gets a job here.

t-writescode 3y ago

Where are you seeing that? A lot of senior roles I'm seeing lately have a salary range of 150k. That used to be the salary of mid-level in my area (PNW)

busterarm 3y ago
Not as severe but that's sort of my point. For a brief year or two some companies were offering senior talent insane/unsustainable money and salaries are coming back down. People still think that they're worth the insane money that FAANGs were paying during the lockdowns that they have since mostly laid off. It's fairly normal in NY for senior IC hires to be offered 180k-230k plus some equity. I'm seeing candidates who agree to interview being told this range and then come offer time they won't budge below 280k cash and expect big equity. Sure, Facebook was paying people that two years ago but they are aggressively lowballing people right now and we aren't.