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It just takes an effort to make Qt apps look and behave native. This has been one of the goals with my new note-taking app, and I think it looks pretty native (

It just takes an effort to make Qt apps look and behave native. This has been one of the goals with my new note-taking app, and I think it looks pretty native (at least on macOS): https://www.get-plume.com/ https://www.get-plume.com/

mike_ivanov 3y ago
Looks gorgeous. Is it QML or pure Qt?
- rubymamis 3y ago
  Thanks! It’s both. The model side and logic is written in C++ while the view is written in QML. That way I get the best of both worlds, the performance of C++ with the ease of use, flexibility, animations, etc of QML. It’s worth noting that most Qt Quick components and much of QML code is compiled to C++, so even code on that side is performant.
  - mike_ivanov 3y ago
    Amazing. This is very inspiring, thanks.
ezst 3y ago
Hey, I don't use your app because it's too limited for my "PKMS" needs (I use trilium notes instead), but I appreciate that you make being "native and fast" a distinguishing feature (vs all the other electron based alternatives boiling the oceans).
- rubymamis 3y ago
  Thanks for the feedback, although the app isn’t released yet so you should at least give it a shot once it’s out. I do try to strike a balance between flexibility and ease of use. I think Notion is too complicated (yet very flexible/powerful). With Plume, the focus is to be able to organize your thoughts in a powerful way, effortlessly. Sign up to the waitlist and try it once it’s out. Much more is coming soon.
  - ezst 3y ago
    > I think Notion is too complicated I wrote about the problem space extensively on this site before, tl;dr, to me the issue lies in the fact that most of the contenders aim to manage data/knowledge/notes as "types" (for categorization, templating and derivation/re-purposing), but, to my knowledge, only trilium is enabling that with a "sound" design. Notion is exposing a lot of incidental complexity due to its "unsoundness".
    - rubymamis 3y ago
      Just read this comment of yours[1]. Plume is aimed to be much simpler than Trilium, I want a non-tech-savvy 40-year-old mom that doesn't know what Kanban is to be able to happily use it as someone that is tech-savvy that knows all about Kanbans. Something that just works for many people, like Apple Notes but with a more advanced editor and features. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39034749 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39034749
      - ezst 3y ago
        You seem to have your objectives (and non-objectives) clearly stated, which gives Plume a fair fighting chance :) Good luck with your project!
        rubymamis 3y ago
        Thanks!
    - maphew 3y ago
      @ezst I've come across a couple of your comments noting the benefits and shortfalls of the current crop of PKMS. Lots of head nodding going on over here on the "sure you can define your tags/categories/types, but after page/note creation you're on your own for management" theme. That had me jumping with enthusiam towards Trilium, only to see it's gone into maybe-discontinued mode (https://github.com/zadam/trilium/issues/4620 https://github.com/zadam/trilium/issues/4620). What are your thoughts on it's viability for someone who is not a current user but thinks they might want to be? (if there's a better place to have this conversation than (ab)using this thread feel free to point the way. Assuming you wish to indulge me at all that is. ;-)
dhosek 3y ago
Which kind of supports my thesis. It’s not so much the underlying tech stack that matters, but the attention to platform conventions. I would expect text input on a Mac, for example, to support ctrl-a and ctrl-e shortcuts for beginning and end of the line (Microsoft is a gross offender on this front thanks to their wanting to accommodate Windows users on a Mac who will be used to using ctrl instead of cmd for keyboard shortcuts).
- rubymamis 3y ago
  > I’m not entirely convinced that multiplatform UI is a good idea for anything other than the simplest of applications. Well, I disagree with that. Again, it just takes a lot more effort, but I believe this is achievable (to a large extent).

mike_ivanov 3y ago

Looks gorgeous. Is it QML or pure Qt?

rubymamis 3y ago
Thanks! It’s both. The model side and logic is written in C++ while the view is written in QML. That way I get the best of both worlds, the performance of C++ with the ease of use, flexibility, animations, etc of QML. It’s worth noting that most Qt Quick components and much of QML code is compiled to C++, so even code on that side is performant.
- mike_ivanov 3y ago
  Amazing. This is very inspiring, thanks.

ezst 3y ago

Hey, I don't use your app because it's too limited for my "PKMS" needs (I use trilium notes instead), but I appreciate that you make being "native and fast" a distinguishing feature (vs all the other electron based alternatives boiling the oceans).

rubymamis 3y ago
Thanks for the feedback, although the app isn’t released yet so you should at least give it a shot once it’s out. I do try to strike a balance between flexibility and ease of use. I think Notion is too complicated (yet very flexible/powerful). With Plume, the focus is to be able to organize your thoughts in a powerful way, effortlessly. Sign up to the waitlist and try it once it’s out. Much more is coming soon.
- ezst 3y ago
  > I think Notion is too complicated I wrote about the problem space extensively on this site before, tl;dr, to me the issue lies in the fact that most of the contenders aim to manage data/knowledge/notes as "types" (for categorization, templating and derivation/re-purposing), but, to my knowledge, only trilium is enabling that with a "sound" design. Notion is exposing a lot of incidental complexity due to its "unsoundness".
  - rubymamis 3y ago
    Just read this comment of yours[1]. Plume is aimed to be much simpler than Trilium, I want a non-tech-savvy 40-year-old mom that doesn't know what Kanban is to be able to happily use it as someone that is tech-savvy that knows all about Kanbans. Something that just works for many people, like Apple Notes but with a more advanced editor and features. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39034749 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39034749
    - ezst 3y ago
      You seem to have your objectives (and non-objectives) clearly stated, which gives Plume a fair fighting chance :) Good luck with your project!
      - rubymamis 3y ago
        Thanks!
  - maphew 3y ago
    @ezst I've come across a couple of your comments noting the benefits and shortfalls of the current crop of PKMS. Lots of head nodding going on over here on the "sure you can define your tags/categories/types, but after page/note creation you're on your own for management" theme. That had me jumping with enthusiam towards Trilium, only to see it's gone into maybe-discontinued mode (https://github.com/zadam/trilium/issues/4620 https://github.com/zadam/trilium/issues/4620). What are your thoughts on it's viability for someone who is not a current user but thinks they might want to be? (if there's a better place to have this conversation than (ab)using this thread feel free to point the way. Assuming you wish to indulge me at all that is. ;-)

dhosek 3y ago

Which kind of supports my thesis. It’s not so much the underlying tech stack that matters, but the attention to platform conventions. I would expect text input on a Mac, for example, to support ctrl-a and ctrl-e shortcuts for beginning and end of the line (Microsoft is a gross offender on this front thanks to their wanting to accommodate Windows users on a Mac who will be used to using ctrl instead of cmd for keyboard shortcuts).

rubymamis 3y ago
> I’m not entirely convinced that multiplatform UI is a good idea for anything other than the simplest of applications. Well, I disagree with that. Again, it just takes a lot more effort, but I believe this is achievable (to a large extent).