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>If someone really needs to drive into Manhattan most days perhaps they should move to a place that's close to a PATH, LIRR, Metro-North, subway, ferry, or othe

>If someone really needs to drive into Manhattan most days perhaps they should move to a place that's close to a PATH, LIRR, Metro-North, subway, ferry, or other transit system. So "not in Queens", then? Jesus Christ.

busterarm 3y ago
Shame to see you so downvoted. The spoiled rich fucks on this board have absolutely no idea just how inaccessible or poorly accessible most of the outer boroughs are and think that a 2-3hr commute (oh those perfectly-running subway lines!) is a perfectly reasonable alternative to paying $5000/mo for a studio. They're also tripping over themselves to kick every rent stabilized (and statistically-insignificant rent controlled) renter to the invisible corners of the city where their less career-blessed asses belong.
- hparadiz 3y ago
  Honestly NYC is a shit show and I don't know why people live there. SI to Manhattan takes like 2 hours at best. You don't even really get any benefit from living in NYC in the outer boroughs.
- persolb 3y ago
  I think the main response would be ‘then dont live there’. I live in a city cheaper than NYC, but I moved to a cheaper area further out due to cost. Land is unfortunately limited. Someone else is willing to pay more for the space than I am. I understand moving sucks and prices in areas change, but this is still an area where a functioning market is better on whole.
  - busterarm 3y ago
    > ‘then dont live there’ I hear you but for most people that translates to "don't be born there". Most of the same people who would tell you if you can't afford it move out are the same people who think NYC should be a sanctuary city for illegal immigrants because they were born in unfortunate circumstances and desire a better life. I've moved in and out of NYC several times and each of those moves ended up costing between 5k and 10k in expenses. Broke people can't afford that shit.
    - persolb 3y ago
      I don’t think “don’t be born there” applies to NYC anyway. Less than half of the residents were born in NY state. (So some percent less than that born in NYC itself.) We need ‘some’ method to allocate residences, and price seems to be the best one we have. Maybe give people $10k in loans to move out of NYC… they’ll more than save that money by committing from another state.
  - boh 3y ago
    You know not everyone works in tech? Or has a job that is not as available anywhere else? Or has elderly parents to support? Or lives in subsidized housing that is difficult to secure elsewhere? Or doesn't actually have the disposable income required to relocate? The NYC area accounts for ~10% GDP for the richest country in the world. Why doesn't everyone just move? [GTFOH](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=GTFOH https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=GTFOH)
    - diebeforei485 3y ago
      If you can't move, and cannot work remotely, there are still lots of other options including finding work literally anywhere in driving distance that isn't below 59th St in Manhattan.
diebeforei485 3y ago
It depends where in Queens. The buses are actually not bad these days, they get you to the subway or LIRR. Some parts of Queens are better than others. But infrastructure changes (which is what this is) always results in people finding new jobs or new homes.

busterarm 3y ago

Shame to see you so downvoted. The spoiled rich fucks on this board have absolutely no idea just how inaccessible or poorly accessible most of the outer boroughs are and think that a 2-3hr commute (oh those perfectly-running subway lines!) is a perfectly reasonable alternative to paying $5000/mo for a studio. They're also tripping over themselves to kick every rent stabilized (and statistically-insignificant rent controlled) renter to the invisible corners of the city where their less career-blessed asses belong.

hparadiz 3y ago
Honestly NYC is a shit show and I don't know why people live there. SI to Manhattan takes like 2 hours at best. You don't even really get any benefit from living in NYC in the outer boroughs.
persolb 3y ago
I think the main response would be ‘then dont live there’. I live in a city cheaper than NYC, but I moved to a cheaper area further out due to cost. Land is unfortunately limited. Someone else is willing to pay more for the space than I am. I understand moving sucks and prices in areas change, but this is still an area where a functioning market is better on whole.
- busterarm 3y ago
  > ‘then dont live there’ I hear you but for most people that translates to "don't be born there". Most of the same people who would tell you if you can't afford it move out are the same people who think NYC should be a sanctuary city for illegal immigrants because they were born in unfortunate circumstances and desire a better life. I've moved in and out of NYC several times and each of those moves ended up costing between 5k and 10k in expenses. Broke people can't afford that shit.
  - persolb 3y ago
    I don’t think “don’t be born there” applies to NYC anyway. Less than half of the residents were born in NY state. (So some percent less than that born in NYC itself.) We need ‘some’ method to allocate residences, and price seems to be the best one we have. Maybe give people $10k in loans to move out of NYC… they’ll more than save that money by committing from another state.
- boh 3y ago
  You know not everyone works in tech? Or has a job that is not as available anywhere else? Or has elderly parents to support? Or lives in subsidized housing that is difficult to secure elsewhere? Or doesn't actually have the disposable income required to relocate? The NYC area accounts for ~10% GDP for the richest country in the world. Why doesn't everyone just move? [GTFOH](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=GTFOH https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=GTFOH)
  - diebeforei485 3y ago
    If you can't move, and cannot work remotely, there are still lots of other options including finding work literally anywhere in driving distance that isn't below 59th St in Manhattan.

diebeforei485 3y ago

It depends where in Queens. The buses are actually not bad these days, they get you to the subway or LIRR. Some parts of Queens are better than others. But infrastructure changes (which is what this is) always results in people finding new jobs or new homes.