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That’s over simplifying it. but it’s not aid, more like strategic interests aligned. For example the U.S. aid prevented Israel from continuing development and s

That’s over simplifying it. but it’s not aid, more like strategic interests aligned. For example the U.S. aid prevented Israel from continuing development and selling its own fighter jets. It gives U.S. arms actual military exposure in dense urban warfare. There’s lots of joint benefits here.

luaybs 3y ago
There is no benefit other than the profit made by the companies manufacturing this "aid", payed for by the American taxpayer via the US congress and government.
nivertech 3y ago
Real aid must be provided with no strings attached. Much of this so-called "aid" comes with the condition that it be spent in the US. This prevents us from developing our own weapons, selling them to whomever we want, and diversifying our sources of military supplies. In addition, the US provides much more "aid" to our enemies. Also, part of this "aid" is used to financially bribe our generals. Essentially making them American "Foreign Agents of Influence" in the spirit of FARA[1], not as literal spies. Unfortrunatelly we lack legislation like FARA, so it's still legal here. --- [1] https://www.justice.gov/nsd-fara https://www.justice.gov/nsd-fara
- lostlogin 3y ago
  > the US provides much more “aid” to our enemies. Could you explain this? The US arms Israel’s enemies?
  - nivertech 3y ago
    The only real peace (aka "normalization") we have (had?) is with the UAE. We only have "peace" with Egypt and Jordan on paper. This is much worse than a cold war situation between the US and the Soviet Union back in the time. Their armies still define Israel as their main enemy. These countries are not safe for Israelis to travel. In Jordan's case we only have "peace" with the foreign royal family imposed by Britain. And even that doesn't include their queen ;) And yes, US provided and still provides military aid to terror group such as PLO, Fatah, even Hamas and PIJ (under the pretext of humanitarian aid). US even removed Houthis from the list of terror group in order to give them money (and just recently put them back on the list). Similarly with lifting sanctions on Iran, which resulted in giving them $10B. --- U.S. Foreign Assistance to the Middle East: Historical, Recent Trends, and the FY2024 Background Request Updated August 15, 2023 https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46344 https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46344
    - lostlogin 3y ago
      It’s so complicated. Hamas was elected if memory serves, and while getting them to renounce violence would seem ideal, how could they? Israel wasn’t going to. They have behaved terribly and until someone starts behaving better, it’s going to carry on as it has for so long. Peace with Egypt has been maintained and relations with Egypt seem to be improving and are ok - what am I missing? There seems very little chance of war.
      - nivertech 3y ago
        Egypt violated almost every signed treaty. Sinai was supposed to be a demilitarized zone, slowly it was filled with the Egyptian army. Egypt built multiple tunnels under the Suetz canal. Yet our governments and military still trying to appease them, in the same way as they did to Hamas. And how do you think all these advanced weapons (RPGs, anti-tank missiles, thermal bombs, etc.) got into 'azza[1]? How did their terrorists go to train in Iran? Why do you think Egypt opposes an Israeli presence on the border in Raphiakh[2]? --- [1,2] I'm using the original biblical place names here, instead of the English distortion of a broken Arabic pronunciation of their Hebrew names.
        lostlogin 3y ago
        I’m surprised at this. According to the Wiki, Israel has agreed to Egyptian military being there. Relations have thawed a lot as far as I can tell. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt–Israel_peace_treaty https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt–Israel_peace_treaty
        nivertech 3y ago
        > Yet our governments and military still trying to appease them, in the same way as they did to Hamas. They turn a blind eye and try to appease Egypt, but it never works in the long run. Our politicians and generals think short-term, they just want to finish their term and get their lavish pensions, and lucrative security contracts from the US, or a high-paying position in some Washington-funded military research think tank.

luaybs 3y ago

There is no benefit other than the profit made by the companies manufacturing this "aid", payed for by the American taxpayer via the US congress and government.

nivertech 3y ago

Real aid must be provided with no strings attached. Much of this so-called "aid" comes with the condition that it be spent in the US. This prevents us from developing our own weapons, selling them to whomever we want, and diversifying our sources of military supplies. In addition, the US provides much more "aid" to our enemies. Also, part of this "aid" is used to financially bribe our generals. Essentially making them American "Foreign Agents of Influence" in the spirit of FARA[1], not as literal spies. Unfortrunatelly we lack legislation like FARA, so it's still legal here. --- [1] https://www.justice.gov/nsd-fara https://www.justice.gov/nsd-fara

lostlogin 3y ago
> the US provides much more “aid” to our enemies. Could you explain this? The US arms Israel’s enemies?
- nivertech 3y ago
  The only real peace (aka "normalization") we have (had?) is with the UAE. We only have "peace" with Egypt and Jordan on paper. This is much worse than a cold war situation between the US and the Soviet Union back in the time. Their armies still define Israel as their main enemy. These countries are not safe for Israelis to travel. In Jordan's case we only have "peace" with the foreign royal family imposed by Britain. And even that doesn't include their queen ;) And yes, US provided and still provides military aid to terror group such as PLO, Fatah, even Hamas and PIJ (under the pretext of humanitarian aid). US even removed Houthis from the list of terror group in order to give them money (and just recently put them back on the list). Similarly with lifting sanctions on Iran, which resulted in giving them $10B. --- U.S. Foreign Assistance to the Middle East: Historical, Recent Trends, and the FY2024 Background Request Updated August 15, 2023 https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46344 https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46344
  - lostlogin 3y ago
    It’s so complicated. Hamas was elected if memory serves, and while getting them to renounce violence would seem ideal, how could they? Israel wasn’t going to. They have behaved terribly and until someone starts behaving better, it’s going to carry on as it has for so long. Peace with Egypt has been maintained and relations with Egypt seem to be improving and are ok - what am I missing? There seems very little chance of war.
    - nivertech 3y ago
      Egypt violated almost every signed treaty. Sinai was supposed to be a demilitarized zone, slowly it was filled with the Egyptian army. Egypt built multiple tunnels under the Suetz canal. Yet our governments and military still trying to appease them, in the same way as they did to Hamas. And how do you think all these advanced weapons (RPGs, anti-tank missiles, thermal bombs, etc.) got into 'azza[1]? How did their terrorists go to train in Iran? Why do you think Egypt opposes an Israeli presence on the border in Raphiakh[2]? --- [1,2] I'm using the original biblical place names here, instead of the English distortion of a broken Arabic pronunciation of their Hebrew names.
      - lostlogin 3y ago
        I’m surprised at this. According to the Wiki, Israel has agreed to Egyptian military being there. Relations have thawed a lot as far as I can tell. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt–Israel_peace_treaty https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt–Israel_peace_treaty
        nivertech 3y ago
        > Yet our governments and military still trying to appease them, in the same way as they did to Hamas. They turn a blind eye and try to appease Egypt, but it never works in the long run. Our politicians and generals think short-term, they just want to finish their term and get their lavish pensions, and lucrative security contracts from the US, or a high-paying position in some Washington-funded military research think tank.