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> Israel is not a part of the U.S. The US sends $3.8B in military aid to Israel yearly...

by luaybs 3y ago

wslh 3y ago
It is not too much if you think Israel is covering US military mistakes and cybersecurity (e.g. Iran).
- lostlogin 3y ago
  Isn’t this policing of Iran needed because of the US supporting Israel? I know there are other interests (oil), but the complete freedom to do anything that the US gives Israel is not entirely helpful to the US.
  - wslh 3y ago
    Isn’t this policing of Iran needed because of the US supporting Israel? No, do you remember the terrorists attacks in USA and in Europe? Have you watched the Argo movie? Do you know about terrorist attacks in Latin America where Iran is involved? Seems people don't check history beyond Israel (21k km^2)and Jews (16m).
    - sangnoir 3y ago
      I remember the JPCOA and egging on the Trump administration to break the agreement and the subsequent escalations.
lostlogin 3y ago
It makes me laugh how it’s always described as aid. If someone gave their friend a gun, would anyone ever call it aid?
- luaybs 3y ago
  well said
- bushbaba 3y ago
  That’s over simplifying it. but it’s not aid, more like strategic interests aligned. For example the U.S. aid prevented Israel from continuing development and selling its own fighter jets. It gives U.S. arms actual military exposure in dense urban warfare. There’s lots of joint benefits here.
  - luaybs 3y ago
    There is no benefit other than the profit made by the companies manufacturing this "aid", payed for by the American taxpayer via the US congress and government.
  - nivertech 3y ago
    Real aid must be provided with no strings attached. Much of this so-called "aid" comes with the condition that it be spent in the US. This prevents us from developing our own weapons, selling them to whomever we want, and diversifying our sources of military supplies. In addition, the US provides much more "aid" to our enemies. Also, part of this "aid" is used to financially bribe our generals. Essentially making them American "Foreign Agents of Influence" in the spirit of FARA[1], not as literal spies. Unfortrunatelly we lack legislation like FARA, so it's still legal here. --- [1] https://www.justice.gov/nsd-fara https://www.justice.gov/nsd-fara
    - lostlogin 3y ago
      > the US provides much more “aid” to our enemies. Could you explain this? The US arms Israel’s enemies?
      - nivertech 3y ago
        The only real peace (aka "normalization") we have (had?) is with the UAE. We only have "peace" with Egypt and Jordan on paper. This is much worse than a cold war situation between the US and the Soviet Union back in the time. Their armies still define Israel as their main enemy. These countries are not safe for Israelis to travel. In Jordan's case we only have "peace" with the foreign royal family imposed by Britain. And even that doesn't include their queen ;) And yes, US provided and still provides military aid to terror group such as PLO, Fatah, even Hamas and PIJ (under the pretext of humanitarian aid). US even removed Houthis from the list of terror group in order to give them money (and just recently put them back on the list). Similarly with lifting sanctions on Iran, which resulted in giving them $10B. --- U.S. Foreign Assistance to the Middle East: Historical, Recent Trends, and the FY2024 Background Request Updated August 15, 2023 https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46344 https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46344
- lesuorac 3y ago
  In the world where ask is a noun (and you wanted the gun), yes.

> Israel is not a part of the U.S. The US sends $3.8B in military aid to Israel yearly...

by luaybs 3y ago

> Israel is not a part of the U.S. The US sends $3.8B in military aid to Israel yearly...

wslh 3y ago

It is not too much if you think Israel is covering US military mistakes and cybersecurity (e.g. Iran).

lostlogin 3y ago
Isn’t this policing of Iran needed because of the US supporting Israel? I know there are other interests (oil), but the complete freedom to do anything that the US gives Israel is not entirely helpful to the US.
- wslh 3y ago
  Isn’t this policing of Iran needed because of the US supporting Israel? No, do you remember the terrorists attacks in USA and in Europe? Have you watched the Argo movie? Do you know about terrorist attacks in Latin America where Iran is involved? Seems people don't check history beyond Israel (21k km^2)and Jews (16m).
  - sangnoir 3y ago
    I remember the JPCOA and egging on the Trump administration to break the agreement and the subsequent escalations.

lostlogin 3y ago

It makes me laugh how it’s always described as aid. If someone gave their friend a gun, would anyone ever call it aid?

luaybs 3y ago
well said
bushbaba 3y ago
That’s over simplifying it. but it’s not aid, more like strategic interests aligned. For example the U.S. aid prevented Israel from continuing development and selling its own fighter jets. It gives U.S. arms actual military exposure in dense urban warfare. There’s lots of joint benefits here.
- luaybs 3y ago
  There is no benefit other than the profit made by the companies manufacturing this "aid", payed for by the American taxpayer via the US congress and government.
- nivertech 3y ago
  Real aid must be provided with no strings attached. Much of this so-called "aid" comes with the condition that it be spent in the US. This prevents us from developing our own weapons, selling them to whomever we want, and diversifying our sources of military supplies. In addition, the US provides much more "aid" to our enemies. Also, part of this "aid" is used to financially bribe our generals. Essentially making them American "Foreign Agents of Influence" in the spirit of FARA[1], not as literal spies. Unfortrunatelly we lack legislation like FARA, so it's still legal here. --- [1] https://www.justice.gov/nsd-fara https://www.justice.gov/nsd-fara
  - lostlogin 3y ago
    > the US provides much more “aid” to our enemies. Could you explain this? The US arms Israel’s enemies?
    - nivertech 3y ago
      The only real peace (aka "normalization") we have (had?) is with the UAE. We only have "peace" with Egypt and Jordan on paper. This is much worse than a cold war situation between the US and the Soviet Union back in the time. Their armies still define Israel as their main enemy. These countries are not safe for Israelis to travel. In Jordan's case we only have "peace" with the foreign royal family imposed by Britain. And even that doesn't include their queen ;) And yes, US provided and still provides military aid to terror group such as PLO, Fatah, even Hamas and PIJ (under the pretext of humanitarian aid). US even removed Houthis from the list of terror group in order to give them money (and just recently put them back on the list). Similarly with lifting sanctions on Iran, which resulted in giving them $10B. --- U.S. Foreign Assistance to the Middle East: Historical, Recent Trends, and the FY2024 Background Request Updated August 15, 2023 https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46344 https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46344
lesuorac 3y ago
In the world where ask is a noun (and you wanted the gun), yes.