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You know the big bang was initially rejected by scientists as being too religious? https://www.astronomy.com/science/the-jesuit-astronomer-who-conceived-of-the
by tsegratis 3y ago
You know the big bang was initially rejected by scientists as being too religious?
https://www.astronomy.com/science/the-jesuit-astronomer-who-conceived-of-the-big-bang/ https://www.astronomy.com/science/the-jesuit-astronomer-who-...
> age of the Earth
Heavens and the earth are created, and light and dark are separated out before the first day listed in Genesis1.5. So total length of time is unstated. The length of the day is also unspecified, see Hebrews3, which shows that those 7 days are still in effect
"Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts, as you did in the rebellion, in the day of testing in the wilderness, where your fathers tested and tried Me, and for forty years saw My works."
Heb3. An example where day means 40 years, and today means an unspecified period of time longer than 24hours
The bible has no proclamations on the age of the earth or geocentrism. Unless you're Calvinist (and not many people are), God is also not used as an explanation for determinism
Global flooding, I would argue is roughly the same as the issue of "day". If everything was flooded as far as you could see in every direction, you would say everything was flooded. It would be silly to misconstrue that. You know that the Black Sea floor was inhabited and catastrophically flooded around the time of Noah? Noah and vast portions of the bible are supported by archeology
You dismiss examples that many Christians already dismiss. That is corroboration
> Not to get too far off in the weeds
I like the weeds. Just some quick thoughts:
> religious interpretation over logic
Do you know that the best basis we have for logic (set theory) was said by Georg Cantor to be given to him as a revelation by God, to help us understand God better?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Cantor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Cantor
I think the universe cannot provide a foundation for logic without being cycilical. For instance explain axioms, without using axioms. They simply exist, without possible explanation. Quines are possible (uses an external transformer to re-create itself), but a self-explaining system without external help, is as possible as a perpetual motion machine. All systems we have require an external force to exist, including logic
How can you argue postmodernism is more logical? To quote wikipedia "postmodernism ... rejects the certainty of knowledge and stable meaning, and acknowledges the influence of ideology in maintaining political power. The idea of objective claims is dismissed"
In postmodernism you loose stability and objectivity
> a better education than a penitent mindset
Jesus didn't advocate for this, a penitent mindset would hardly be good news. @nickpsecurity explains this well on his website
But thankyou for your comments!
- talldayo 3y ago> You dismiss examples that many Christians already dismiss. That is corroboration It's part of my point. When the text isn't an authority on itself, who holds the power in it's interpretation? It simply becomes a tool for narrative control, which has been repeated throughout history to violent extents. Religion is a tool for subjugation, and Christianity is the pinnacle of the master/slave morality system regardless of how Jesus feels about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master%E2%80%93slave_morality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master%E2%80%93slave_morality > All systems we have require an external force to exist, including logic Sure, it's a lot to think about. The regressive nature of reality doesn't preclude the idea that things can be explained, though. Multiple times throughout history, religion has contended with the modern understanding of reality or society. You've done an excellent job cherry-picking the agnostic advancements in science, but there's no shortage of conflicting advancements that challenge that worldview. The best we can do is agree that it's too abstract to say anything for sure (or build a faith system around it, your pick). > How can you argue postmodernism is more logical? Because of the second part of the sentence: and acknowledges the influence of ideology in maintaining political power As I said, the truth is manipulated no matter where you are, secular or not. Whoever can create the most-trusted narrative controls their constituents, through lies or blind faith. Faith is not separate from this system, however enticing the idea of "true belief" is. Anything can be challenged with more conclusive evidence, and should God reach out tomorrow and invite me for a game of checkers I'll write you an update about what I think then.