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Is it normal, that this clip has no sound? Then it is hard to check the rhetoric. Also instagram is aweful, even more so for those without an account. Scrolling

by lukan 3y ago

Is it normal, that this clip has no sound? Then it is hard to check the rhetoric. Also instagram is aweful, even more so for those without an account. Scrolling a bit down (looking for colume control) ends the clip and tells me to register to watch it again. No thank you, but so I cannot review your criticism.

th0ma5 3y ago
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- lukan 3y ago
  Maybe you could use videosources that do not offer such a horrible user experience? But you don't have to and I don't have to check your links. Edit: seriously, I won't click any instagramlinks anymore. After reloading, yes, there is a little volume button, but it was half hidden under the "register popup" "check this out" banner etc. Which went away after scrolling down. Then there is no timeline. No replay like mentioned. And the content: nothing about teenage hacker criminals All in all, not convincing.
  - th0ma5 3y ago
    Not sure what you want me to do dude, I'm sorry I'm speaking my truth and it is upsetting I guess. Take care. Edit to your edits: he wrote several books talking about computers, or more specifically, the computers of the 80s and 90s, being worthless and would lead us all astray.
    - mlyle 3y ago
      One book-- Silicon Snake Oil. And criticism of that is worthwhile. Your exaggeration, on the other hand, is not.
      - th0ma5 3y ago
        High-Tech Heretic: Reflections of a Computer Contrarian is literally about stopping computer education.
        mlyle 3y ago
        And as I've discussed with you elsewhere-- I feel like most of that criticism is spot on. Computers in education are great for: * Education on how to use computing or programming (... though when I teach these subjects, I do a whole lot of it offline) * Independent research (though you'd better stand at the back of the classroom and monitor what's going on very closely... and do this sparingly). * Occasional rapid feedback through a Kahoot about how much your class understands a given set of subject matter. * Letting students write and revise a paper quickly now and then * Occasional individualized practice through something like Khan. On the other hand, they're greatly overused even today. Instructors do things like: * Use a Kahoot every class to convey key learning material, which results in a disorganized, flash-card experience. * Perform enough of the work on computers that plagiarism and academic integrity become a huge concern. * Displace valuable classroom practice performing labs or doing arithmetic with inferior virtual eqiuvalents. * Allow students (without any type of learning or physical disability which would necessitate this) to take notes online, which under the best of circumstances is demonstrably inferior to paper note-taking for retention and also invites massive amounts of abuse. I feel like the case was similar in the 1990s: there was little evidence of benefit. There was less of the online abuse of computing, but there was still a lot of abuse and misuse.
- defrost 3y ago
  > Maybe you should leave computers to professionals? Seriously? You're the one that linked to Insta, and to a clip that doesn't feature Clifford warning of hackers but to Clifford making the valid point that at a particular time in history a great deal of money was being spent on computers in education that largely sat idle for a shortage of teachers, courses, supporting resources.
  - th0ma5 3y ago
    Just referencing his opinions ironically. He didn't have a valid point either. He simply didn't understand computers enough to see how they were being used.
    - defrost 3y ago
      Sure, just barely enough to wing it as a systems administrator at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, and to last just a few years as a school physics teacher. It's not like he had any first hand experience of either computers or computers in schools /s You might not like his opinions but they were his and of that time.
      - th0ma5 3y ago
        > Any computer undergrounder can identify with and appreciate Stoll's obsession and patience in attempting to trace the hacker through a maze of international gateways and computer systems. But, Stoll apparently misses the obvious affinity he has with those he condemns. He simply dismisses hackers as 'monsters' and displays virtually no recognition of the similarities between his own activity and those of the computer underground. This is what makes Stoll's work so dangerous: His work is an unreflective exercise in self-promotion, a tome that divides the sacred world of technocrats from the profane activities of those who would challenge it; Stoll stigmatises without understanding (Thomas 1990). https://insecure.org/stf/them_and_us.txt https://insecure.org/stf/them_and_us.txt Just because I don't like his opinions or that they are old doesn't make him right for doing this. The appeal to his alleged authority of the time was part of the problem.
dark-star 3y ago
Really? You did not see that there is a button in the lower right that enables audio? It looks like a loudspeaker, the universal symbol for "audio". Although there's no volume control, so turn down your speakers first (the audio is rather loud)
- lukan 3y ago
  No, I did not see it, it was covered by a "check out something else" banner on my small mobile screen.

by lukan 3y ago

th0ma5 3y ago

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lukan 3y ago
Maybe you could use videosources that do not offer such a horrible user experience? But you don't have to and I don't have to check your links. Edit: seriously, I won't click any instagramlinks anymore. After reloading, yes, there is a little volume button, but it was half hidden under the "register popup" "check this out" banner etc. Which went away after scrolling down. Then there is no timeline. No replay like mentioned. And the content: nothing about teenage hacker criminals All in all, not convincing.
- th0ma5 3y ago
  Not sure what you want me to do dude, I'm sorry I'm speaking my truth and it is upsetting I guess. Take care. Edit to your edits: he wrote several books talking about computers, or more specifically, the computers of the 80s and 90s, being worthless and would lead us all astray.
  - mlyle 3y ago
    One book-- Silicon Snake Oil. And criticism of that is worthwhile. Your exaggeration, on the other hand, is not.
    - th0ma5 3y ago
      High-Tech Heretic: Reflections of a Computer Contrarian is literally about stopping computer education.
      - mlyle 3y ago
        And as I've discussed with you elsewhere-- I feel like most of that criticism is spot on. Computers in education are great for: * Education on how to use computing or programming (... though when I teach these subjects, I do a whole lot of it offline) * Independent research (though you'd better stand at the back of the classroom and monitor what's going on very closely... and do this sparingly). * Occasional rapid feedback through a Kahoot about how much your class understands a given set of subject matter. * Letting students write and revise a paper quickly now and then * Occasional individualized practice through something like Khan. On the other hand, they're greatly overused even today. Instructors do things like: * Use a Kahoot every class to convey key learning material, which results in a disorganized, flash-card experience. * Perform enough of the work on computers that plagiarism and academic integrity become a huge concern. * Displace valuable classroom practice performing labs or doing arithmetic with inferior virtual eqiuvalents. * Allow students (without any type of learning or physical disability which would necessitate this) to take notes online, which under the best of circumstances is demonstrably inferior to paper note-taking for retention and also invites massive amounts of abuse. I feel like the case was similar in the 1990s: there was little evidence of benefit. There was less of the online abuse of computing, but there was still a lot of abuse and misuse.
defrost 3y ago
> Maybe you should leave computers to professionals? Seriously? You're the one that linked to Insta, and to a clip that doesn't feature Clifford warning of hackers but to Clifford making the valid point that at a particular time in history a great deal of money was being spent on computers in education that largely sat idle for a shortage of teachers, courses, supporting resources.
- th0ma5 3y ago
  Just referencing his opinions ironically. He didn't have a valid point either. He simply didn't understand computers enough to see how they were being used.
  - defrost 3y ago
    Sure, just barely enough to wing it as a systems administrator at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, and to last just a few years as a school physics teacher. It's not like he had any first hand experience of either computers or computers in schools /s You might not like his opinions but they were his and of that time.
    - th0ma5 3y ago
      > Any computer undergrounder can identify with and appreciate Stoll's obsession and patience in attempting to trace the hacker through a maze of international gateways and computer systems. But, Stoll apparently misses the obvious affinity he has with those he condemns. He simply dismisses hackers as 'monsters' and displays virtually no recognition of the similarities between his own activity and those of the computer underground. This is what makes Stoll's work so dangerous: His work is an unreflective exercise in self-promotion, a tome that divides the sacred world of technocrats from the profane activities of those who would challenge it; Stoll stigmatises without understanding (Thomas 1990). https://insecure.org/stf/them_and_us.txt https://insecure.org/stf/them_and_us.txt Just because I don't like his opinions or that they are old doesn't make him right for doing this. The appeal to his alleged authority of the time was part of the problem.

dark-star 3y ago

Really? You did not see that there is a button in the lower right that enables audio? It looks like a loudspeaker, the universal symbol for "audio". Although there's no volume control, so turn down your speakers first (the audio is rather loud)

lukan 3y ago
No, I did not see it, it was covered by a "check out something else" banner on my small mobile screen.