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Many people naively think that liberal democracy, where human rights are respected is kind of the natural state, which can be distorted by some evil regimes. No

Many people naively think that liberal democracy, where human rights are respected is kind of the natural state, which can be distorted by some evil regimes. Nothing could be further from truth: natural state of mankind is slavery with a small elite exploiting the masses. Democracy is a product of European culture and it slowly evolved from: Ancient Greek philosophy, Ancient Roman law, and Christianity as a religion. Countries that do not share the same cultural background are simply not compatible with democracy.

goatlover 3y ago
The natural state of humanity was hunter/gatherer. Civilization is kind of a later comer, although it might be older than previously thought.
selimthegrim 3y ago
So, Japan is not a democracy then?
krapp 3y ago
Ancient Greece and Rome both had a small elite exploiting the masses, and both states practiced slavery. The Bible endorses the institution of slavery as God's natural order numerous times in both the Old and New Testament. Europe held the greatest slaveowning imperialist powers the world has ever known - and monarchies to boot. Also there is no such thing as "European culture" or "Western culture"[0] per se, that's a modern retrofiction meant to lend credence to white nationalist ideology, much less any credibility in the claim that such is the sole originator and inheritor of the concept of democratic government. India had its own democratic ideals[0], as did Africa[2], and America's own democracy is derived in part from that of the Six Nations Iroquois Confederacy[3]. Also... since you're implying (as everyone who makes this argument does) that Islam is "simply not compatible with democracy," the cultures of the Islamic world have been influenced by ancient Greek and Christian philosophy since Islam began[4,5]. That's why European culture(s) had to recover much of the knowledge they lost after the Dark Ages from Muslim sources. So your statement disproves itself even by its own ethnocentric standard. [0]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/09/western-civilisation-appiah-reith-lecture https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/09/western-civili... [1]https://thediplomat.com/2023/03/is-india-the-mother-of-democracies/ https://thediplomat.com/2023/03/is-india-the-mother-of-democ... [2]https://trueafrica.co/article/why-democracy-is-just-as-african-as-it-is-european/ https://trueafrica.co/article/why-democracy-is-just-as-afric... [3]https://blogs.loc.gov/law/2023/09/the-haudenosaunee-confederacy-and-the-constitution/ https://blogs.loc.gov/law/2023/09/the-haudenosaunee-confeder... [4]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_influences_on_the_Islamic_world https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_influences_on_the_Is... [5]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_contributions_to_the_Islamic_world https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_contributions_to_the_Isl...
082349872349872 3y ago
> ... Ancient Roman law, and Christianity as a religion. Were Mussolini alive today, he'd have another form of government to sell you!

goatlover 3y ago

The natural state of humanity was hunter/gatherer. Civilization is kind of a later comer, although it might be older than previously thought.

selimthegrim 3y ago

So, Japan is not a democracy then?

krapp 3y ago

Ancient Greece and Rome both had a small elite exploiting the masses, and both states practiced slavery. The Bible endorses the institution of slavery as God's natural order numerous times in both the Old and New Testament. Europe held the greatest slaveowning imperialist powers the world has ever known - and monarchies to boot. Also there is no such thing as "European culture" or "Western culture"[0] per se, that's a modern retrofiction meant to lend credence to white nationalist ideology, much less any credibility in the claim that such is the sole originator and inheritor of the concept of democratic government. India had its own democratic ideals[0], as did Africa[2], and America's own democracy is derived in part from that of the Six Nations Iroquois Confederacy[3]. Also... since you're implying (as everyone who makes this argument does) that Islam is "simply not compatible with democracy," the cultures of the Islamic world have been influenced by ancient Greek and Christian philosophy since Islam began[4,5]. That's why European culture(s) had to recover much of the knowledge they lost after the Dark Ages from Muslim sources. So your statement disproves itself even by its own ethnocentric standard. [0]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/09/western-civilisation-appiah-reith-lecture https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/09/western-civili... [1]https://thediplomat.com/2023/03/is-india-the-mother-of-democracies/ https://thediplomat.com/2023/03/is-india-the-mother-of-democ... [2]https://trueafrica.co/article/why-democracy-is-just-as-african-as-it-is-european/ https://trueafrica.co/article/why-democracy-is-just-as-afric... [3]https://blogs.loc.gov/law/2023/09/the-haudenosaunee-confederacy-and-the-constitution/ https://blogs.loc.gov/law/2023/09/the-haudenosaunee-confeder... [4]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_influences_on_the_Islamic_world https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_influences_on_the_Is... [5]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_contributions_to_the_Islamic_world https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_contributions_to_the_Isl...

082349872349872 3y ago

> ... Ancient Roman law, and Christianity as a religion. Were Mussolini alive today, he'd have another form of government to sell you!