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I really shouldn’t be engaging with this, and I’m in fact choosing to ignore the more problematic aspects of this—and previous—posts (which I fully expect to be

I really shouldn’t be engaging with this, and I’m in fact choosing to ignore the more problematic aspects of this—and previous—posts (which I fully expect to become flagged to death anyway). However I’m gonna engage with one point though (your strongest point). > the ICJ has already not accepted the accusations against Israel, That is simply not true. The ICJ has done no such thing. In fact they have accepted that there is a probably case and a risk of genocide. In fact, I’m gonna quote the summary of the verdict (from Wikipedia): > It is plausible that Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza. The State of Israel must take all measures within its power to prevent the commission of genocide. If anything since this verdict was published, the case for genocide has become even more glaring. Just today Ireland announced they would intervene on behalf of South Africa in that case adding the blocking of aid to the charges against Israel[1]. The day before yesterday UN Human Rights Council’s Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories published a report[2]—which I have been quoting a lot lately—concluding: “there are reasonable grounds to believe that the threshold indicating Israel’s commission of genocide is met.” Francesca Albanese further describes this genocidal rhetoric in her magnificent report: > One of the key findings is that Israel's executive and military leadership and soldiers have intentionally distorted jus in bello principles, subverting their protective functions, in an attempt to legitimize genocidal violence against the Palestinian people. 1: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/27/gaza-ireland-joins-battle-to-include-the-blocking-of-vital-aid-in-definition-of-genocide https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/27/gaza-ireland-j... 2: https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/sessions-regular/session55/advance-versions/a-hrc-55-73-auv.pdf https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies...

roynasser 3y ago
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tguvot 3y ago
same alabanese who said that usa controlled by jewish lobby, called to demolish state of israel, said that israel has no right to self defense and wrote in report "More broadly, they also indicate that Israel’s actions have been driven by a genocidal logic integral to its settler-colonial project in Palestine, signalling a tragedy foretold.". one hell of an expert
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- Thiez 3y ago
  Which of those points do you disagree with? Because they all seem reasonable and true to me.
  - tguvot 3y ago
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    - Thiez 3y ago
      From the outside it sure looks like AIPAC has a lot of influence and US politicians by and large are absurdly committed to supporting Israel no matter how flagrantly it violates international law and human rights. You can try to dismiss this observation by joking about a secret cabal of evil Jews (maybe they can be lizards as well!) but that doesn't change the reality that the USA seems to be grovelling at the feet of Bibi as if Israel is giving it free billions each year instead of the other way round.
      - tguvot 3y ago
        aipac is rather minor donor/lobbyist in usa. you should look up statistics. those billions are peanuts in israeli budget. majority of population in israel in favor of stopping taking it. it works actually as lever that usa is using, so it actually beneficial to usa (and all the money going back to it anyway) usa doesn't grovel at feet of bibi. it just usa has more guts than other countries to support israel.
      - runarberg 3y ago
        “the Jewish lobby” is widely—and correctly so—regarded as an anti-Semitic trope. Anyone should refrain from using it. Even Albanese regrets having used these words a decade ago, and has apologized for doing so. If you want to talk about AIPAC and similar groups you should use the more accurate term Pro Israel lobby, which Albanese has indeed used since. In fact I would argue there is nothing Pro Jewish about AIPAC. AIPAC doesn't really care about American Jews. They only care about furthering Israel’s war machine and that Israel’s human rights violations continues to go unpunished. Even when this policy harms American Jews. Also the trope that Israel controls the USA is also both untrue and anti-Semitic. The USA is perfectly capable of aligning them selfs with a criminal foreign governments on their own if it somehow serves their interest. They did so with Apartheid South Africa, they do so with Saudi Arabian, and there was no “Jewish Lobby” making them do so. The truth is that Israel is an antagonistic country in the Middle East, and it serves the interest of the USA to keep this region unstable. You don't need an evil race of people to keep colonialism alive, you just need plain old capitalists.

roynasser 3y ago

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tguvot 3y ago

same alabanese who said that usa controlled by jewish lobby, called to demolish state of israel, said that israel has no right to self defense and wrote in report "More broadly, they also indicate that Israel’s actions have been driven by a genocidal logic integral to its settler-colonial project in Palestine, signalling a tragedy foretold.". one hell of an expert

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Thiez 3y ago
Which of those points do you disagree with? Because they all seem reasonable and true to me.
- tguvot 3y ago
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  - Thiez 3y ago
    From the outside it sure looks like AIPAC has a lot of influence and US politicians by and large are absurdly committed to supporting Israel no matter how flagrantly it violates international law and human rights. You can try to dismiss this observation by joking about a secret cabal of evil Jews (maybe they can be lizards as well!) but that doesn't change the reality that the USA seems to be grovelling at the feet of Bibi as if Israel is giving it free billions each year instead of the other way round.
    - tguvot 3y ago
      aipac is rather minor donor/lobbyist in usa. you should look up statistics. those billions are peanuts in israeli budget. majority of population in israel in favor of stopping taking it. it works actually as lever that usa is using, so it actually beneficial to usa (and all the money going back to it anyway) usa doesn't grovel at feet of bibi. it just usa has more guts than other countries to support israel.
    - runarberg 3y ago
      “the Jewish lobby” is widely—and correctly so—regarded as an anti-Semitic trope. Anyone should refrain from using it. Even Albanese regrets having used these words a decade ago, and has apologized for doing so. If you want to talk about AIPAC and similar groups you should use the more accurate term Pro Israel lobby, which Albanese has indeed used since. In fact I would argue there is nothing Pro Jewish about AIPAC. AIPAC doesn't really care about American Jews. They only care about furthering Israel’s war machine and that Israel’s human rights violations continues to go unpunished. Even when this policy harms American Jews. Also the trope that Israel controls the USA is also both untrue and anti-Semitic. The USA is perfectly capable of aligning them selfs with a criminal foreign governments on their own if it somehow serves their interest. They did so with Apartheid South Africa, they do so with Saudi Arabian, and there was no “Jewish Lobby” making them do so. The truth is that Israel is an antagonistic country in the Middle East, and it serves the interest of the USA to keep this region unstable. You don't need an evil race of people to keep colonialism alive, you just need plain old capitalists.