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It does not. Iraqi citizens were not stripped of their civil rights during eight years of American occupation*. An occupying power has responsibility to the civ

It does not. Iraqi citizens were not stripped of their civil rights during eight years of American occupation*. An occupying power has responsibility to the civilian population which they occupy, and does not grant rights on dictating which civil rights they have. That is for their own government to decide. I know this is not a case of apartheid, btw. I was only rebutting your claim that if this were a civil right issue, then it would somehow be OK. But if you were right that it was just a civil right issue, then it wouldn’t. You can’t occupy a state, and strip them of rights which your own citizens have. That is apartheid. But what is going on here is not apartheid, it is a war crime. Israel isn’t merely stripping occupied citizens of their rights. Israel is a annulling any distinction between a civilian and combatants, and treating the entire civilian population as combatants, including by employing dubious mass surveillance tactics. --- * Edit, to clarify. Many Iraqi citizens were indeed stripped of their civil rights (as we know from documents leaked by Chelsea Manning). However those cases constituted war crimes and in some cases the criminals were even prosecuted and found guilty.

dlubarov 3y ago
> Israel is a annulling any distinction between a civilian and combatants, and treating the entire civilian population as combatants, including by employing dubious mass surveillance tactics. By dressing soldiers in civilian clothes, Hamas forces Israel to guess who is or isn't a combatant. Given that Israel has to make such calls, shouldn't they collect all available information to make them as accurately as they can? Shouldn't we be more concerned about mistakes (leading to civilians deaths) than about privacy?
- runarberg 3y ago
  Like I said elsewhere, this logic justifies Oct. 7. But also, no. The purpose obviously isn’t to find combatants. If it is it is very poor one obviously. No they are doing this to justify mass targeting of civilians. In reality this does not only strip Palestinians of their privacy, it also creates potential targets out of any Palestinian.
  - dlubarov 3y ago
    By targeting civilians, do you mean killing them? If that was Israel's goal, why would they need facial recognition? Facial recognition suggests selective targeting; if the goal was to kill civilians wouldn't they just carpet bomb without worrying about any particular targets?
    - runarberg 3y ago
      Your guess is as good as mine, but I guess they use it to justify their targeting. What the AI tells them to target, they target. If the AI is inaccurate—which it probably is—even better, the results are the same. Whole neighborhoods are carpet bombed, massive civilian casualty rate, but the optics are better. And hopefully they don’t get charged at the Hague.

dlubarov 3y ago

> Israel is a annulling any distinction between a civilian and combatants, and treating the entire civilian population as combatants, including by employing dubious mass surveillance tactics. By dressing soldiers in civilian clothes, Hamas forces Israel to guess who is or isn't a combatant. Given that Israel has to make such calls, shouldn't they collect all available information to make them as accurately as they can? Shouldn't we be more concerned about mistakes (leading to civilians deaths) than about privacy?

runarberg 3y ago
Like I said elsewhere, this logic justifies Oct. 7. But also, no. The purpose obviously isn’t to find combatants. If it is it is very poor one obviously. No they are doing this to justify mass targeting of civilians. In reality this does not only strip Palestinians of their privacy, it also creates potential targets out of any Palestinian.
- dlubarov 3y ago
  By targeting civilians, do you mean killing them? If that was Israel's goal, why would they need facial recognition? Facial recognition suggests selective targeting; if the goal was to kill civilians wouldn't they just carpet bomb without worrying about any particular targets?
  - runarberg 3y ago
    Your guess is as good as mine, but I guess they use it to justify their targeting. What the AI tells them to target, they target. If the AI is inaccurate—which it probably is—even better, the results are the same. Whole neighborhoods are carpet bombed, massive civilian casualty rate, but the optics are better. And hopefully they don’t get charged at the Hague.