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Thankyou @talldayo, it is lovely to hear from you > promotion of an arbitrary religion Truth is in short supply. I think in secularism, and the religions as y

Thankyou @talldayo, it is lovely to hear from you > promotion of an arbitrary religion Truth is in short supply. I think in secularism, and the religions as you described, people push their own advantage, rather than an independent truth. But the idea that our ultimate goal is truth -- i.e. truth is God, God is truth: This is the only truly trustable source; since anyone who places something higher than truth, such as life, will sacrifice truth to get that. So considering God, to be truth can be the only fully trustworthy position This is quite different to your conceptualization > you might be the least functional of them all "If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied" 1cor15. So Yes :) > you're dependent on the word of others to interpret reality for you I really really appreciate your feedback!! However I would attest to many many personal revelations and observed miracles to the point i would consider myself insane not to believe. i.e. It is very much personal choice I appreciate your other comments too, but my reply is already long

talldayo 3y ago
> So considering God, to be truth can be the only fully trustworthy position Has "God" and his proclamations not been proven wrong over the age of the Earth, the origins of mankind, geocentrism, global flooding, etcetra? If secularism promotes the warping of objective truths, then religion reciprocally practices the interpretation of fiction. As a rational person I'd rather argue over the merits of rational information. From my perspective, the existence of a God is used as a ersatz explanation for determinism. Not to get too far off in the weeds, but this is usually the Achilles heel of religion. We create religion because man feels a need to justify irrational suffering. Why aren't the crops growing, why did our king die, how does space work, who made us, all of these questions have been skewed by religion since time immemorial. When you deconstruct Christianity and the merits of religion from a postmodern worldview, you very quickly identify how it digs it's claws into people. The founding fathers of America, Christian though they may be, even acknowledge the poison that is a state-affiliated church. Thousands of people have senselessly lost their lives throughout history due to deference to religious interpretation over logic. I've heard the gospel since I was a kid, and I've watched the wheel go round with or without the dedication of the faithful. People deserve a better education than a penitent mindset. Peace and suffering are thermodynamic certainties, religion will make no sense of it unless you reject reality entirely.
- tsegratis 3y ago
  You know the big bang was initially rejected by scientists as being too religious? https://www.astronomy.com/science/the-jesuit-astronomer-who-conceived-of-the-big-bang/ https://www.astronomy.com/science/the-jesuit-astronomer-who-... > age of the Earth Heavens and the earth are created, and light and dark are separated out before the first day listed in Genesis1.5. So total length of time is unstated. The length of the day is also unspecified, see Hebrews3, which shows that those 7 days are still in effect "Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts, as you did in the rebellion, in the day of testing in the wilderness, where your fathers tested and tried Me, and for forty years saw My works." Heb3. An example where day means 40 years, and today means an unspecified period of time longer than 24hours The bible has no proclamations on the age of the earth or geocentrism. Unless you're Calvinist (and not many people are), God is also not used as an explanation for determinism Global flooding, I would argue is roughly the same as the issue of "day". If everything was flooded as far as you could see in every direction, you would say everything was flooded. It would be silly to misconstrue that. You know that the Black Sea floor was inhabited and catastrophically flooded around the time of Noah? Noah and vast portions of the bible are supported by archeology You dismiss examples that many Christians already dismiss. That is corroboration > Not to get too far off in the weeds I like the weeds. Just some quick thoughts: > religious interpretation over logic Do you know that the best basis we have for logic (set theory) was said by Georg Cantor to be given to him as a revelation by God, to help us understand God better? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Cantor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Cantor I think the universe cannot provide a foundation for logic without being cycilical. For instance explain axioms, without using axioms. They simply exist, without possible explanation. Quines are possible (uses an external transformer to re-create itself), but a self-explaining system without external help, is as possible as a perpetual motion machine. All systems we have require an external force to exist, including logic How can you argue postmodernism is more logical? To quote wikipedia "postmodernism ... rejects the certainty of knowledge and stable meaning, and acknowledges the influence of ideology in maintaining political power. The idea of objective claims is dismissed" In postmodernism you loose stability and objectivity > a better education than a penitent mindset Jesus didn't advocate for this, a penitent mindset would hardly be good news. @nickpsecurity explains this well on his website But thankyou for your comments!

talldayo 3y ago

> So considering God, to be truth can be the only fully trustworthy position Has "God" and his proclamations not been proven wrong over the age of the Earth, the origins of mankind, geocentrism, global flooding, etcetra? If secularism promotes the warping of objective truths, then religion reciprocally practices the interpretation of fiction. As a rational person I'd rather argue over the merits of rational information. From my perspective, the existence of a God is used as a ersatz explanation for determinism. Not to get too far off in the weeds, but this is usually the Achilles heel of religion. We create religion because man feels a need to justify irrational suffering. Why aren't the crops growing, why did our king die, how does space work, who made us, all of these questions have been skewed by religion since time immemorial. When you deconstruct Christianity and the merits of religion from a postmodern worldview, you very quickly identify how it digs it's claws into people. The founding fathers of America, Christian though they may be, even acknowledge the poison that is a state-affiliated church. Thousands of people have senselessly lost their lives throughout history due to deference to religious interpretation over logic. I've heard the gospel since I was a kid, and I've watched the wheel go round with or without the dedication of the faithful. People deserve a better education than a penitent mindset. Peace and suffering are thermodynamic certainties, religion will make no sense of it unless you reject reality entirely.

tsegratis 3y ago
You know the big bang was initially rejected by scientists as being too religious? https://www.astronomy.com/science/the-jesuit-astronomer-who-conceived-of-the-big-bang/ https://www.astronomy.com/science/the-jesuit-astronomer-who-... > age of the Earth Heavens and the earth are created, and light and dark are separated out before the first day listed in Genesis1.5. So total length of time is unstated. The length of the day is also unspecified, see Hebrews3, which shows that those 7 days are still in effect "Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts, as you did in the rebellion, in the day of testing in the wilderness, where your fathers tested and tried Me, and for forty years saw My works." Heb3. An example where day means 40 years, and today means an unspecified period of time longer than 24hours The bible has no proclamations on the age of the earth or geocentrism. Unless you're Calvinist (and not many people are), God is also not used as an explanation for determinism Global flooding, I would argue is roughly the same as the issue of "day". If everything was flooded as far as you could see in every direction, you would say everything was flooded. It would be silly to misconstrue that. You know that the Black Sea floor was inhabited and catastrophically flooded around the time of Noah? Noah and vast portions of the bible are supported by archeology You dismiss examples that many Christians already dismiss. That is corroboration > Not to get too far off in the weeds I like the weeds. Just some quick thoughts: > religious interpretation over logic Do you know that the best basis we have for logic (set theory) was said by Georg Cantor to be given to him as a revelation by God, to help us understand God better? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Cantor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Cantor I think the universe cannot provide a foundation for logic without being cycilical. For instance explain axioms, without using axioms. They simply exist, without possible explanation. Quines are possible (uses an external transformer to re-create itself), but a self-explaining system without external help, is as possible as a perpetual motion machine. All systems we have require an external force to exist, including logic How can you argue postmodernism is more logical? To quote wikipedia "postmodernism ... rejects the certainty of knowledge and stable meaning, and acknowledges the influence of ideology in maintaining political power. The idea of objective claims is dismissed" In postmodernism you loose stability and objectivity > a better education than a penitent mindset Jesus didn't advocate for this, a penitent mindset would hardly be good news. @nickpsecurity explains this well on his website But thankyou for your comments!