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in any case > Those tolls will be discounted by 75 percent at night, which is when most truck deliveries are made I would bet the value in time saved to a fr

in any case > Those tolls will be discounted by 75 percent at night, which is when most truck deliveries are made I would bet the value in time saved to a freight delivery business to be stuck in less traffic (composed primarily of passenger cars!) is well worth more than the toll paid

busterarm 3y ago
> which is when most truck deliveries are made That's simply not true. Also congestion based pricing strategies have never reduced traffic anywhere they've been implemented. Go ask London.
- affinepplan 3y ago
  > Also congestion based pricing strategies have never reduced traffic anywhere they've been implemented this is so fragrantly incorrect I don't even know how to respond they absolutely have, including in London please engage with some of the published research instead of just guessing
  - busterarm 3y ago
    fragrantly? really?
    - nzgrover 3y ago
      Doesn't pass the sniff test ;-)
    - affinepplan 3y ago
      typo
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p-a_58213 3y ago
> Also congestion based pricing strategies have never reduced traffic anywhere they've been implemented. Go ask London. Wrong. Source: I am a transport engineer. In London.
- busterarm 3y ago
  According to INRIX, London is more congested than ever and it's so unpopular that 66% of residents voted against expanding the program and that very proposal is what sunk the Labour party in last year's by-elections. Also London's public transit infrastructure is lightyears better than NYC's and way better managed. This whole pricing scheme is just to shore up the MTA which is massively wasteful with money and never gets any of its projects done on time (by decades).
  - p-a_58213 3y ago
    a) You are confusing a congestion charge zone (CCZ) with an emissions charge zone (ULEZ) which specifically targets vehicles that do not comply with the latest emissions standards. These are two separate schemes, with different objectives. It is the later that was linked with Labour's by-election failures, in the very outer boroughs that have fairly poor public transport. b) The INRIX scorecard is citywide. Assuming that they went with the conventional definition of "London", ie. whatever lies inside M25, this is an area of 1579 km2. The Congestion charge zone has an area of 21 km2, which is about 1.3% of the total.

busterarm 3y ago

> which is when most truck deliveries are made That's simply not true. Also congestion based pricing strategies have never reduced traffic anywhere they've been implemented. Go ask London.

affinepplan 3y ago
> Also congestion based pricing strategies have never reduced traffic anywhere they've been implemented this is so fragrantly incorrect I don't even know how to respond they absolutely have, including in London please engage with some of the published research instead of just guessing
- busterarm 3y ago
  fragrantly? really?
  - nzgrover 3y ago
    Doesn't pass the sniff test ;-)
  - affinepplan 3y ago
    typo

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p-a_58213 3y ago

> Also congestion based pricing strategies have never reduced traffic anywhere they've been implemented. Go ask London. Wrong. Source: I am a transport engineer. In London.

busterarm 3y ago
According to INRIX, London is more congested than ever and it's so unpopular that 66% of residents voted against expanding the program and that very proposal is what sunk the Labour party in last year's by-elections. Also London's public transit infrastructure is lightyears better than NYC's and way better managed. This whole pricing scheme is just to shore up the MTA which is massively wasteful with money and never gets any of its projects done on time (by decades).
- p-a_58213 3y ago
  a) You are confusing a congestion charge zone (CCZ) with an emissions charge zone (ULEZ) which specifically targets vehicles that do not comply with the latest emissions standards. These are two separate schemes, with different objectives. It is the later that was linked with Labour's by-election failures, in the very outer boroughs that have fairly poor public transport. b) The INRIX scorecard is citywide. Assuming that they went with the conventional definition of "London", ie. whatever lies inside M25, this is an area of 1579 km2. The Congestion charge zone has an area of 21 km2, which is about 1.3% of the total.