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> The media needs to report, not suppress, this stuff. If media discards secularism, news becomes worthless. No organization that spans the trust of religious

> The media needs to report, not suppress, this stuff. If media discards secularism, news becomes worthless. No organization that spans the trust of religious and non-religious audiences would acquiesce to the promotion of an arbitrary religion - I doubt you'd support what you're asking for if it treated Muslim revelations with equal weight. Regardless, showing people at mass on TV will not solve food inequity or goodwill towards mankind (ask me how I know; I grew up in Detroit). Your heart is in the right place, but compared to the "struggling families" you've described, you might be the least functional of them all. You require the illusory promise of salvation to persist; denying it for you is almost like killing your own ego. You flip-flop between counterintuitive stances based on what the bible or the ecclesiastics say is right. Perhaps your own notion of morality and logic is stunted, because you're dependent on the word of others to interpret reality for you. In a world full of realized problems and pragmatic failures of the human condition, faith is the least realistic framework for actually fixing our world. Convincing people to reject personal willpower and self-righteousness is how you kill the individual and create a mentally-neutered sycophant.

tsegratis 3y ago
Thankyou @talldayo, it is lovely to hear from you > promotion of an arbitrary religion Truth is in short supply. I think in secularism, and the religions as you described, people push their own advantage, rather than an independent truth. But the idea that our ultimate goal is truth -- i.e. truth is God, God is truth: This is the only truly trustable source; since anyone who places something higher than truth, such as life, will sacrifice truth to get that. So considering God, to be truth can be the only fully trustworthy position This is quite different to your conceptualization > you might be the least functional of them all "If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied" 1cor15. So Yes :) > you're dependent on the word of others to interpret reality for you I really really appreciate your feedback!! However I would attest to many many personal revelations and observed miracles to the point i would consider myself insane not to believe. i.e. It is very much personal choice I appreciate your other comments too, but my reply is already long
- talldayo 3y ago
  > So considering God, to be truth can be the only fully trustworthy position Has "God" and his proclamations not been proven wrong over the age of the Earth, the origins of mankind, geocentrism, global flooding, etcetra? If secularism promotes the warping of objective truths, then religion reciprocally practices the interpretation of fiction. As a rational person I'd rather argue over the merits of rational information. From my perspective, the existence of a God is used as a ersatz explanation for determinism. Not to get too far off in the weeds, but this is usually the Achilles heel of religion. We create religion because man feels a need to justify irrational suffering. Why aren't the crops growing, why did our king die, how does space work, who made us, all of these questions have been skewed by religion since time immemorial. When you deconstruct Christianity and the merits of religion from a postmodern worldview, you very quickly identify how it digs it's claws into people. The founding fathers of America, Christian though they may be, even acknowledge the poison that is a state-affiliated church. Thousands of people have senselessly lost their lives throughout history due to deference to religious interpretation over logic. I've heard the gospel since I was a kid, and I've watched the wheel go round with or without the dedication of the faithful. People deserve a better education than a penitent mindset. Peace and suffering are thermodynamic certainties, religion will make no sense of it unless you reject reality entirely.
  - tsegratis 3y ago
    You know the big bang was initially rejected by scientists as being too religious? https://www.astronomy.com/science/the-jesuit-astronomer-who-conceived-of-the-big-bang/ https://www.astronomy.com/science/the-jesuit-astronomer-who-... > age of the Earth Heavens and the earth are created, and light and dark are separated out before the first day listed in Genesis1.5. So total length of time is unstated. The length of the day is also unspecified, see Hebrews3, which shows that those 7 days are still in effect "Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts, as you did in the rebellion, in the day of testing in the wilderness, where your fathers tested and tried Me, and for forty years saw My works." Heb3. An example where day means 40 years, and today means an unspecified period of time longer than 24hours The bible has no proclamations on the age of the earth or geocentrism. Unless you're Calvinist (and not many people are), God is also not used as an explanation for determinism Global flooding, I would argue is roughly the same as the issue of "day". If everything was flooded as far as you could see in every direction, you would say everything was flooded. It would be silly to misconstrue that. You know that the Black Sea floor was inhabited and catastrophically flooded around the time of Noah? Noah and vast portions of the bible are supported by archeology You dismiss examples that many Christians already dismiss. That is corroboration > Not to get too far off in the weeds I like the weeds. Just some quick thoughts: > religious interpretation over logic Do you know that the best basis we have for logic (set theory) was said by Georg Cantor to be given to him as a revelation by God, to help us understand God better? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Cantor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Cantor I think the universe cannot provide a foundation for logic without being cycilical. For instance explain axioms, without using axioms. They simply exist, without possible explanation. Quines are possible (uses an external transformer to re-create itself), but a self-explaining system without external help, is as possible as a perpetual motion machine. All systems we have require an external force to exist, including logic How can you argue postmodernism is more logical? To quote wikipedia "postmodernism ... rejects the certainty of knowledge and stable meaning, and acknowledges the influence of ideology in maintaining political power. The idea of objective claims is dismissed" In postmodernism you loose stability and objectivity > a better education than a penitent mindset Jesus didn't advocate for this, a penitent mindset would hardly be good news. @nickpsecurity explains this well on his website But thankyou for your comments!
nickpsecurity 3y ago
I didn’t say for the media to discard secularism. I asked for the media that reports or goes into depth on so many topics to treat Christ and Christians the same way. Instead, they systematically suppress the Gospel, mock it, misrepresent Christians’ claims, and do negative stories every chance they get. Doing this to any group liberals favor would create an outcry about discrimination but it’s tolerated for Christians. It’s both inaccurate for media reporting and unjust toward people. Re treating other groups the same I think the group should carry the weight it’s earned in terms of evidence and outcomes. Here’s some evidence of the Gospel that far outweighs the vast majority of what U.S. media reports as facts: https://www.gethisword.com/evidence.html https://www.gethisword.com/evidence.html Now, compare the Muslim faith. They recognize the Bible as Scripture, the authtor’s writings heavily contradict it, and therefore he is a false prophet. He worked no miracles per earliest writings and didn’t come back from the dead. His influence largely spread by money and the sword whereas Christ told us to peacefully share His message. The Christian-like nations had much better outcomes for most individuals than Muslim nations, too. So, evidence-based reporting would favor Christianity over Islam. It would also report any good or bad things people in those faiths were doing. They’d just report the news. Re my background, “ego,” and “illusion” I was a hardcore, liberal, scientific atheist who destroyed religious people for ego and fun. Most of the world around me were arrogant, selfish people chasing ego, money, knowledge, and pleasure. We opposed Christian values to push the opposite. My country got worse and worse the more we did stuff like that, too, but we blamed everyone else. Especially right-wingers and Bible thumpers. One day, I was forced to believe after witnessing an actual miracle on top of highly-improbable events. The God who works miracles deserves more belief than my prior icons who had no such power. After believing in Him, the Spirit of God dwells in us and delivers on His promises. We saw the results in our family, workplace, etc. He gradually humbled me into a different person, too, who acts for His name and others’ future. In fact, God requires each act be done in love or He won’t reward it at all. No showmanship. Now, I was in a community that shared all the history, news, and analyses that was hidden from me as a liberal. It was like leaving Plato’s Cave. After a while, I had seen everything from lives changing in the hood (eg Memphis TN) to studies showing positive outcomes on a national level to doctors confirming miracles granted in Jesus’ name. What I had before were my personal beliefs with no such evidence or power. One of the other lessons from God’s Word is how He blesses or disciplines nations. The nations that followed Christ or kept laws similar to God’s design were very prosperous in many ways. In the Bible, they’d turn to idolatry (or atheism), sexual immorality, oppression of workers, and kill their children for financial success. Each time, God’s wrath eventually came down on them with economic problems, random violence going up, chronic illness going up, birth rates going down, bad weather, and so on. They were destroyed. As predicted, America started doing all those things after turning away from God with all the same responses beginning to happen. So, we’re not taking out of ego or speculation or hatred of people. We’ve seen objective, personal, and historical proof that the Bible is true with positive outcomes for individuals and nations. We see our nation turning to huge sin and paying the same price in the Bible. That’s sad. We want all of you to live eternally, purposefully, and with deep peace in hard times. The media systematically suppresses or makes negative reports about Christ and His positive results while promoting tons of unproven or sinful practices even when they do damage. If they do the opposite, or even just more righteousness, it will help many people.

tsegratis 3y ago

Thankyou @talldayo, it is lovely to hear from you > promotion of an arbitrary religion Truth is in short supply. I think in secularism, and the religions as you described, people push their own advantage, rather than an independent truth. But the idea that our ultimate goal is truth -- i.e. truth is God, God is truth: This is the only truly trustable source; since anyone who places something higher than truth, such as life, will sacrifice truth to get that. So considering God, to be truth can be the only fully trustworthy position This is quite different to your conceptualization > you might be the least functional of them all "If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied" 1cor15. So Yes :) > you're dependent on the word of others to interpret reality for you I really really appreciate your feedback!! However I would attest to many many personal revelations and observed miracles to the point i would consider myself insane not to believe. i.e. It is very much personal choice I appreciate your other comments too, but my reply is already long

talldayo 3y ago
> So considering God, to be truth can be the only fully trustworthy position Has "God" and his proclamations not been proven wrong over the age of the Earth, the origins of mankind, geocentrism, global flooding, etcetra? If secularism promotes the warping of objective truths, then religion reciprocally practices the interpretation of fiction. As a rational person I'd rather argue over the merits of rational information. From my perspective, the existence of a God is used as a ersatz explanation for determinism. Not to get too far off in the weeds, but this is usually the Achilles heel of religion. We create religion because man feels a need to justify irrational suffering. Why aren't the crops growing, why did our king die, how does space work, who made us, all of these questions have been skewed by religion since time immemorial. When you deconstruct Christianity and the merits of religion from a postmodern worldview, you very quickly identify how it digs it's claws into people. The founding fathers of America, Christian though they may be, even acknowledge the poison that is a state-affiliated church. Thousands of people have senselessly lost their lives throughout history due to deference to religious interpretation over logic. I've heard the gospel since I was a kid, and I've watched the wheel go round with or without the dedication of the faithful. People deserve a better education than a penitent mindset. Peace and suffering are thermodynamic certainties, religion will make no sense of it unless you reject reality entirely.
- tsegratis 3y ago
  You know the big bang was initially rejected by scientists as being too religious? https://www.astronomy.com/science/the-jesuit-astronomer-who-conceived-of-the-big-bang/ https://www.astronomy.com/science/the-jesuit-astronomer-who-... > age of the Earth Heavens and the earth are created, and light and dark are separated out before the first day listed in Genesis1.5. So total length of time is unstated. The length of the day is also unspecified, see Hebrews3, which shows that those 7 days are still in effect "Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts, as you did in the rebellion, in the day of testing in the wilderness, where your fathers tested and tried Me, and for forty years saw My works." Heb3. An example where day means 40 years, and today means an unspecified period of time longer than 24hours The bible has no proclamations on the age of the earth or geocentrism. Unless you're Calvinist (and not many people are), God is also not used as an explanation for determinism Global flooding, I would argue is roughly the same as the issue of "day". If everything was flooded as far as you could see in every direction, you would say everything was flooded. It would be silly to misconstrue that. You know that the Black Sea floor was inhabited and catastrophically flooded around the time of Noah? Noah and vast portions of the bible are supported by archeology You dismiss examples that many Christians already dismiss. That is corroboration > Not to get too far off in the weeds I like the weeds. Just some quick thoughts: > religious interpretation over logic Do you know that the best basis we have for logic (set theory) was said by Georg Cantor to be given to him as a revelation by God, to help us understand God better? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Cantor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Cantor I think the universe cannot provide a foundation for logic without being cycilical. For instance explain axioms, without using axioms. They simply exist, without possible explanation. Quines are possible (uses an external transformer to re-create itself), but a self-explaining system without external help, is as possible as a perpetual motion machine. All systems we have require an external force to exist, including logic How can you argue postmodernism is more logical? To quote wikipedia "postmodernism ... rejects the certainty of knowledge and stable meaning, and acknowledges the influence of ideology in maintaining political power. The idea of objective claims is dismissed" In postmodernism you loose stability and objectivity > a better education than a penitent mindset Jesus didn't advocate for this, a penitent mindset would hardly be good news. @nickpsecurity explains this well on his website But thankyou for your comments!

nickpsecurity 3y ago

I didn’t say for the media to discard secularism. I asked for the media that reports or goes into depth on so many topics to treat Christ and Christians the same way. Instead, they systematically suppress the Gospel, mock it, misrepresent Christians’ claims, and do negative stories every chance they get. Doing this to any group liberals favor would create an outcry about discrimination but it’s tolerated for Christians. It’s both inaccurate for media reporting and unjust toward people. Re treating other groups the same I think the group should carry the weight it’s earned in terms of evidence and outcomes. Here’s some evidence of the Gospel that far outweighs the vast majority of what U.S. media reports as facts: https://www.gethisword.com/evidence.html https://www.gethisword.com/evidence.html Now, compare the Muslim faith. They recognize the Bible as Scripture, the authtor’s writings heavily contradict it, and therefore he is a false prophet. He worked no miracles per earliest writings and didn’t come back from the dead. His influence largely spread by money and the sword whereas Christ told us to peacefully share His message. The Christian-like nations had much better outcomes for most individuals than Muslim nations, too. So, evidence-based reporting would favor Christianity over Islam. It would also report any good or bad things people in those faiths were doing. They’d just report the news. Re my background, “ego,” and “illusion” I was a hardcore, liberal, scientific atheist who destroyed religious people for ego and fun. Most of the world around me were arrogant, selfish people chasing ego, money, knowledge, and pleasure. We opposed Christian values to push the opposite. My country got worse and worse the more we did stuff like that, too, but we blamed everyone else. Especially right-wingers and Bible thumpers. One day, I was forced to believe after witnessing an actual miracle on top of highly-improbable events. The God who works miracles deserves more belief than my prior icons who had no such power. After believing in Him, the Spirit of God dwells in us and delivers on His promises. We saw the results in our family, workplace, etc. He gradually humbled me into a different person, too, who acts for His name and others’ future. In fact, God requires each act be done in love or He won’t reward it at all. No showmanship. Now, I was in a community that shared all the history, news, and analyses that was hidden from me as a liberal. It was like leaving Plato’s Cave. After a while, I had seen everything from lives changing in the hood (eg Memphis TN) to studies showing positive outcomes on a national level to doctors confirming miracles granted in Jesus’ name. What I had before were my personal beliefs with no such evidence or power. One of the other lessons from God’s Word is how He blesses or disciplines nations. The nations that followed Christ or kept laws similar to God’s design were very prosperous in many ways. In the Bible, they’d turn to idolatry (or atheism), sexual immorality, oppression of workers, and kill their children for financial success. Each time, God’s wrath eventually came down on them with economic problems, random violence going up, chronic illness going up, birth rates going down, bad weather, and so on. They were destroyed. As predicted, America started doing all those things after turning away from God with all the same responses beginning to happen. So, we’re not taking out of ego or speculation or hatred of people. We’ve seen objective, personal, and historical proof that the Bible is true with positive outcomes for individuals and nations. We see our nation turning to huge sin and paying the same price in the Bible. That’s sad. We want all of you to live eternally, purposefully, and with deep peace in hard times. The media systematically suppresses or makes negative reports about Christ and His positive results while promoting tons of unproven or sinful practices even when they do damage. If they do the opposite, or even just more righteousness, it will help many people.